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The UK Independence Party is NOT racist

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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
It's VERY bad policy to start picking and choosing your immigrants JUST on things like wealth, class and education.
Allowing hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers to enter a country as small as the UK each year is also a very bad policy.
Controls are needed, or would you be happy for say a quarter of a million unskilled Mexicans moving to Canada every year? Paying for Spanish translators for their kids in Canadian schools, competing with Canadians in the unskilled work market? Really?




posted on May, 4 2015 @ 06:58 AM
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Whilst it's been an interesting read i've stayed out of the thread as i simply dislike UKIP for pretty much being Tories.

However, i read the latest pamphlet that they put through my door and was very surprised indeed that there was a promise there to keep funding and protect the NHS in there - including providing extra funding via investment from the EU membership fees that would no longer be paid.

I was bloody surprised by that, so much so (due to my own perhaps prejudiced view that they are "ultra" tories) that i doubt the veracity of it - which i recognise may well be totally unfair of me.

Like quite a few here though, i have such objection to some of their members and representatives and their well publicised prejudice and hatred that i simply could not vote for them no matter what in their present form. But i do not believe that the party is inherently racist. Significantly xenophobic though, yes. Medieval to certain minorities too, for sure.

Frankly at the mo, i doubt i can even be arsed to turn up at the polling station to do something stinky and brown in the booth.

Terminal cynicism for all parties has become thoroughly entrenched in me at present.
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: nonspecific
I am firmly in favour of a referendum on the EU and agree that immigration is a concern but do not personally feel that this alone is a justifcation to vote for a relativley new party with internal issues.

I don't want a UKIP government and don't believe for a second they will ever be at a stage to form one.
They are the only party standing firmly for that referendum on EU membership, and if many millions of us vote for them this week we are more likely to get it.
That is why UKIP have my vote, that alone.


That is a little worrying to me.

You are voting for a political party that you do not want to to form a goverment?

I am suprised at how many people I know are voting UKIP, what happens if enough people do the same and we end up with 4 years of Nigel Farage as Prime Minister?



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 06:59 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Well in those numbers yes, of course that's not a good thing. Generally speaking though I would disagree.

Having a mix of skilled and un-skilled immigrants is a great thing. There are plenty of jobs that we need to fill because we have an aging population and shrinking work force.

I'm not familiar with the actual data however, are you speaking in hyperbolic terms or is the UK allowing that many immigrants in yearly?

~Tenth
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
Terminal cynicism for all parties has become thoroughly entrenched in me at present.
Same for me, but I am passionate that I want a vote on EU membership as I've never had one, as none of us have.
If I do not vote for the only national party wishing to leave the EU then I can not bitch about the EU afterwards.
I want that referendum...UKIP support the same view as I do regarding the EU.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

The NHS thing did really throw me.... i kinda feel a bit of an ass for doubting them when it's in black and white, but then who in their right mind trusts a politician's manifesto pledges?

However, I think that the EU has for too long been a gravy train, and while i like the idea of close ties to Europe as a concept the EU does not provide this in a worthwhile manner. It's effectively a con.

I just cant risk a Thatcher lover having any power at my behest to change things though.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Let's put it this way...

Last year alone a net value of 300,000 immigrants came into the UK.

That's a city worth of people, and that's happening every year.

So unless we are building a new city every year...well, you do the maths. It doesn't take a genius to see that it's unsustainable.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

So be it. If they do as badly as the last couple of governments (in different ways) then no change, but if they pulled it off then that would be a welcome change. To be honest though a landslide victory taking us out of the EU would actually be a pleasant surprise, but come on it's a bit unlikely isn't it.

Lot's of people vote tactically. If the SNP win every seat in Scotland you don't think a lot of their votes are from right wing voters who don't actually support the socialist policies of the party? They just want independence, as I want independence from the EU.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
I'm not familiar with the actual data however, are you speaking in hyperbolic terms or is the UK allowing that many immigrants in yearly?
It's well more than 200,000 and mostly from poor EU nations, and there is absolutely nothing the UK government can do to reduce it while we are members of the EU.
The only option is renegotiation which has to be agreed by all countries of the EU, or for us to go independent again, and just have a trading relationship with the EU.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:12 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

So be it. If they do as badly as the last couple of governments (in different ways) then no change, but if they pulled it off then that would be a welcome change.


I can find agreement with this.

WE all of us suffer under any government in one way or another, and some sector of society will always get properly screwed no matter who we vote for.

Most of us manage to get out of it the other side though.

I'm all for a shake up of the status-quo, it's just that with UKIP i feel that it's coming from the wrong side of the tracks.

And i don't mean left/right - for me they just seem far too "establishment"

However, i doubt i will ever be happy with politics in the UK, c'est la vie.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
but then who in their right mind trusts a politician's manifesto pledges?
Haha, true!
I just want a referendum on EU membership and voting for UKIP is the ONLY way I can express that through the ballot box.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
I'm not familiar with the actual data however, are you speaking in hyperbolic terms or is the UK allowing that many immigrants in yearly?
It's well more than 200,000 and mostly from poor EU nations, and there is absolutely nothing the UK government can do to reduce it while we are members of the EU.
The only option is renegotiation which has to be agreed by all countries of the EU, or for us to go independent again, and just have a trading relationship with the EU.


Wow, yeah that's not sustainable.

I see where the issue is now, so it is a EU member status issue. So any person from an EU country can immigrate to another with virtually no barriers?

~Tenth



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Yep and claim every welfare benefit, get immediate free NHS treatment and medicines, enrol their children in local schools which are forced to employ multiple translators for the multiple languages spoken. I could go on but you get the picture.

An EU national can live and work anywhere in the EU, and when welfare benefits work out more in the UK than say minimum wage in Romania, it is no wonder we have such large numbers moving here.
And there is nothing the UK government can do about it while we remain members of the EU.
It is why I'm voting for the UK Independence Party.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

So be it. If they do as badly as the last couple of governments (in different ways) then no change, but if they pulled it off then that would be a welcome change. To be honest though a landslide victory taking us out of the EU would actually be a pleasant surprise, but come on it's a bit unlikely isn't it.

Lot's of people vote tactically. If the SNP win every seat in Scotland you don't think a lot of their votes are from right wing voters who don't actually support the socialist policies of the party? They just want independence, as I want independence from the EU.


I can't argue the logic in your choice, as you say this election will be on of tactics from most voters predominantly for a single cause.

I will be happy with another Scotish referendum and one for the UK leaving the EU or at the least a renegotiation on certain points.

I still can't vote UKIP though there seems to be a sinister undertone, a wanting to return to a dickension type Britain.

I know the other parties are against a referendum but public opinion will lead to one regardless in the next 10 years in my opinion.

If UKIP do fluke a victory I will most Likely move to Italy while I still can though, It's not all bad in the EU.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Italy is a wonderful place to visit, but if government and politics in The UK annoys then i can't begin to imagine how the joke of Italian politics is any better.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Yes, no one could argue if everyone in Europe emigrated to one country in Europe, it's called free movement of people apparently. of course that's just an extreme, but we have had a small country's worth of people emigrate here over the last decade, exponentially.

We are only a small island and are one of the most, if not in my opinion the most densely populated country in Europe.

Many of these immigrants tend to only speak English in times of need, so it feels like you live in another country. It's quite strange. some can't see the problem, but these are the rich people that live out in the country and have private health care Etc. So aren't subject to the problem.
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posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn


A £125,000 entry fee would prevent many of the genuine, hard working, well intentioned immigrants coming in to the country and covering the skill gap that this country apparently has.

Perhaps along with a merit based points immigration system we also need to ask just why the 5th / 6th most wealthiest country in the world has such a skill shortage in so many key areas?




This country has a skill gap due to not training enough of its own youth.

The local university here had 1,200 applications for nursing, from that they

interviewed 600 and from that only 30 were taken on.

I know some of the ones who didn't get through, and I can assure you that they

were all bright, capable, intelligent and spoke English which sadly wasn't

the case with the nurses when my mother was in hospital a couple of years ago.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:30 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
If UKIP do fluke a victory I will most Likely move to Italy while I still can though, It's not all bad in the EU.
Haha, it'll never happen, but if millions of us do vote for them then we will be a baby step closer to that referendum.

I like the EU as well, just don't want to be governed by it.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:30 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: nonspecific

Italy is a wonderful place to visit, but if government and politics in The UK annoys then i can't begin to imagine how the joke of Italian politics is any better.


I would head of to the hills where politics is somewhat irrelevant.



posted on May, 4 2015 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Good answer! I do have a genuine interest, i'm off to Sicily this summer after also going last year. Me and the Mrs have seriously discussed potential moves abroad when my lad is 18.



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