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The UK Independence Party is NOT racist

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posted on May, 3 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm curious..have you been to England and know the problems it's facing?

immigration hasn't reached Scotland yet, I bet you change your mind when it does, but by then it'll be too late.




posted on May, 3 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: grainofsand because contrary to the beliefs of some posters most of us up here actually like England and would rather it didn't become the insular small minded reactionary backwards #hole that UKIP see as the future golden age. If I was being selfish I would be encouraging as many people to vote UKIP as possible as a tory UKIP coalition would guarantee independence.
Ps just to be clear is your nation England or wales? What if England votes to leave and Wales stay?


So are Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, etc insular and small minded because they control immigration and only allow people in who they actually need? Stop the hyperbole fella please, I posted a link to UKIP's manifesto in the OP, I am happy to argue about anything you quote from there, not just your opinion.

I have lived longer in England, married an English woman, kids born and raised in England, no intention of ever moving back to Wales where I was born and raised. I vote based on anything that affects my life in my sleepy part of the island. I expect my family and friends back home to do the same.
If Wales chooses differently then that is it's democratic choice which I support.
...everyone I speak to back home is voting UKIP though


*Edit*
Oh, and I support England in every sport if they are playing against anyone other than Wales.
I also love being the sole Welshman in local bars when the 6 Nations is going on, sheep shagger jokes and all the rest of it when it's the England Wales match, but we are united when England or Wales are playing Scotland.
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posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand
Ok if you want we can play pick a policy, what's you view on scrapping the climate change act?



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes scrap it I say.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: grainofsand
Ok if you want we can play pick a policy, what's you view on scrapping the climate change act?

Not a big issue to me while many countries such as China are pumping out the amounts of Carbon as they do.
Could be an economic boom if the law was looked at sensibly. Plenty of coal still in Wales, plenty of support to mine it again, and much cleaner ways of burning it than the 80's when all the pits were shut.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand
So despite overwhelming evidence of the damage being done you think it is better to shrug off our environmental responsibilities rather than persuade other nations to follow our lead. Interesting.
Ok what about the primary purpose rule? Hopefully you will know it better than UKIP s own leadership up here who didn't even know what it was despite being a major UKIP policy?



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: grainofsand
Ok if you want we can play pick a policy, what's you view on scrapping the climate change act?

Not a big issue to me while many countries such as China are pumping out the amounts of Carbon as they do.
Could be an economic boom if the law was looked at sensibly. Plenty of coal still in Wales, plenty of support to mine it again, and much cleaner ways of burning it than the 80's when all the pits were shut.


So do you think that there envromental policy is good for the people of the UK?

Fracking, coal mining looser regulations on enviromental impactect or is it somthing of a trade off to get a party that will deal with the issue you find most important?



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Again, I have no real problem with requiring British people to show that they haven't just got married to a foreign national solely to get British residency. Sensible law with suitable appeal process would get my vote.

There are plenty of people being paid to fraudulently marry non-EU nationals for the British residency status right now, or did you not realise that, so anything which can work at reducing that will again get my vote.

Again though, you want independence from the UK and will probably get it in the next few years, with your own place in the EU. What has it got to do with you if my nation/s choose independence from the EU?



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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And the manifesto has exactly what relation to true intentions ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

If you want to know a party's true ideology look at behaviour. It's the old old saying :

"Actions speak louder than words".

How have UKIP members behaved? hmmmmmm
What have they said in private? hmmmmmm
What is their background? Now this is a beaut. You need to spend time researching but when you trace the background of the top echleons of UKIP it's a real eye opener. e.g. membership of BNP.

People in Scotland have woken up to "action speak louder than words" hence why labour is about to be wiped out as the tories were 20 years ago. We (including english folks like myself) have grown tired of the grey suited westminster centric poilitics. UKIP is currently suffering as all the focus of attention outside of the main 3 is now on the SNP. The main 3 can see a potential sea-change in how UK politics is organised and ironically it comes from Scotland. They are all sh.t scared. Lifelong political careers are going bye byes........



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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I want the referendum on leaving the EU, nothing more, nothing less.
The Tories, Labour, and Lib-Dem's are all going to agree to GM crops being commercially grown in the UK for the first time next planting season, UKIP are supporting a free vote in Parliament for all MP's.

Nobody agrees with everything a political party stands for, but yes, if an economic boom could be created in Wales and the North of England by mining coal again, then burned in much cleaner modern power stations, reducing our reliance on gas from Russia, then yep, it would get my vote.

I'm not voting UKIP for that though, I just want the referendum on EU membership.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
How have UKIP members behaved? hmmmmmm
How have members of other political parties behaved? hmmmmmm

No confirmed paedophiles in the UKIP party history that I'm aware of.

*Edit*
Just found this:
Bury Times



A FORMER chairman of Bury's UK Independence Party has been jailed for grooming children and possessing nearly 200,000 indecent images of children.

Peter Entwistle spoke to children on MSN Messenger and other social network sites in a sexualised manner, asking them to commit sexual acts for his own satisfaction, Bolton Crown Court heard today.

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posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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I'm reading the manifesto mate, I was pissed the other night and may have had a kneejerk reaction.

As with all parties I do think there will always be promises that I both disagree or agree with but I would still never vote for them as I do not wish for Farage to be in charge of 4 whole countries.

So are you looking at UKIP as a disposable party who will get your vote simply to get out of the EU?

Sounds a bit risky to me if thats the case.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

That aside, we could leave the EU and join the EFTA, which we were originally part of in the first place.


Like Norway, as they keep stating. Norway that has to adopt all EU trade legislation without voting on it or taking part in any of the meetings to establish the legislation as we do at present. Oops sorry I forgot, as UK representatives can do at present but fail to turn up at the goddam meeting and then bitch and complain afterwards......like UKIP. There attendance (or rather lack of) is on record.
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posted on May, 3 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
So are you looking at UKIP as a disposable party who will get your vote simply to get out of the EU?
I will look at every party as disposable if an issue is strong enough for me. I am not a member of any political party and never have been.
I bet there are plenty of right wing nationalist Scots who will be voting for the socialist SNP next week though, plenty.
They are doing exactly the same thing, voting to increase their chance of independence from the UK, whereas I am seeking a referendum on independence from the EU.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: nonspecific
So are you looking at UKIP as a disposable party who will get your vote simply to get out of the EU?
I will look at every party as disposable if an issue is strong enough for me. I am not a member of any political party and never have been.
I bet there are plenty of right wing nationalist Scots who will be voting for the socialist SNP next week though, plenty.
They are doing exactly the same thing, voting to increase their chance of independence from the UK, whereas I am seeking a referendum on independence from the EU.


I do not disagree with your stance, having no political affiliation is certainly the right way to go.

One of us will be right and one wrong, Should make an interesting thread 4 years from now.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 01:02 PM
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What's the point of voting on something when you know you'll lose as everyone else votes against you...

I don't blame them for not turning up half the time.



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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It certainly has to be the most interesting election of most of our lives so far.
Go on man, vote UKIP, help get us that referendum and mature debate about controlling EU immigration.
Do you really support our population growing (net) by over 200,000 Eastern Europeans each year?



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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posted on May, 3 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: blupblup

So, which bit of the published manifesto as linked in the OP are you describing as nasty?
Come on man, we can all pluck internet meme's out if we want to.

How about instead engaging in mature debate and telling me why YOU think my protest vote based on a wish for the UK to have a referendum on the EU could be deemed nasty or disagreeable to you?
UKIP is the only party I can vote for which reflects my views on EU membership, you know, the only party supporting controlled immigration from the EU similar to those other 'nasty' or 'racist' countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the US...



posted on May, 3 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: blupblup

That's just propaganda that you've posted..

Sad thing is people will read that and believe it...




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