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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: JesseVentura
Just out of curiosity what do you consider the Islamic Jihad Organization that blew up the Marines in Beirut a terrorist Organization?
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Any "person" who believes in migrating to another country and changing that country by force (Jihad, Sharia, Communism, Fascism, whatever) to become the $hithole they just left needs to be deported immediately.
originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: JesseVentura
I have studied These groups for many years . In Islam they have a name for them they are called "Khuaraij" Meaning the ones who went out , as in did things outside the teachings of Islam. Such as ,sucide, killing innocent people, etc . All the bad things you see them do today . These groups have been around since the Time of Muhammad and became eveb bigger after . In fact they are responsible for the Shia /sunnie divie. For they are the ones who kill Ali thus contributing to the devide. Now when I say "They" the Khuaraij are the ones with extremist Ideology . the Ideology stems from political agenda and religious bid'ah (innovation of scripture ) . So the twist and essentially rewrite scripture that fits any agenda they might have.
Now In my studies i have noted along with other Scholars that these groups arise in times of war and civil conflict . you see in Islan one can't just go out and declare "Jihad" ,their are rules one must adhear to . But these groups obviously do not adhere to them . When leaders refues to "stand up" the KKhuaraij claim to do so in their sted thus calling Islamic leaders traders etc this is called Takfiri .
Where were these groups 60 - 70 years ago ?
It was not until war and. civil strife started in the areas causing a rise in the Kguaraij ideology.
So To answer your question , Yes the US and other county played a roll in the rise of these groups .
I would love to write more but I am on my break at work on my phone .
Hope this helps !
Kap
Try and put that into a Native American (Turtle Island ) context and see how it works .
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.