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originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Would it be possible to cause a large explosion in that place? If they are going to commit suicide, I reckon waiting until ISIS were literally outside and making everything go BOOM! may be a good course of action.
I know that sounds cold, but if they are going to go, they may as well take out as many of those little tosspots that they can.
Captured by ISIS is not an option, that can't be pleasant.
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
This quote from the story, in particular, is very unsettling to me:
"We have very little food and ammunition, and we can't withstand the suicide bombers, snipers and rockets," said the federal police officer, who was trapped inside the refinery along with about 50 other police as of Thursday evening. "All of us now are thinking of committing suicide."
So 50 of them are considering suicide versus being taken prisoner by ISIS....I can't imagine the terror they must be going through right now....that is not a decision I would ever want to be forced to make.
Speaking from inside the facility, an Iraqi officer who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to talk to a reporter said government troops were running low on food, water and ammunition. He said the situation was chaotic after 11 months of nearly unbroken siege.
He said Islamic State fighters control “all the major buildings,” 80 percent of the watchtowers around the facility, and had flanked government positions with “snipers and suicide bombers driving heavily armored car bombs.”
He appealed for the government in Baghdad to send supplies, ammunition and air cover. “We have been under siege for four days without any major coalition air strike assistance inside the facility,” he said.
originally posted by: termi
From having been there before I'd say ISIS is bad news friends. The culture over there worships strength above all else. I remember having a good chat with an Kuwaiti friend in the middle of Nowhere's Ville talking about the arab mentality. (not the Muslim mentality but the Arab mentality....calm down) He told me, "Arabs come in two kinds. The Arabs in the Valley and the Arabs on the Mountain." So basically Arabs on the mountain have it rough. They are tough hombres and they don't mess around. Arabs in the valley have lots of stuff but they're soft. My buddy told me, "Arabs look up to and romanticize and even fear the Arabs on the mountain. The are the strong. When they are hungry they ride down into the valley and take what they want from the Arabs in the valley." The Arab people look up to that. Even the Arabs in the Valley look up to that. Arab nobles used to send their kids into the desert to live with the Bedouins to toughen them up. Check out Saladin some time. Kind of sums it up a bit.ISIS is part of that whole "Arabs on the Mountain". The more you pound them and they keep going the more respected they are in that part of the world. They could really care less about political correctness, the price of Apple stock today (a least the soldiers), or anything beyond what's in front of their faces, what's in their hearts and what they believe with every fiber in their beings. These guys will cut your head off and put it in your hands because they think you are pretty much an animal that should be slaughtered. Welcome to infidel-dom. From my experience the best way to deal with them is not to bomb them into the stone age. That only strengthens them and more specifically their perception of strength by others and their ideology. You defeat them by folding them in on each other. Get a powerful one to roll for money or power or whatever. Once he rolls with his guys let the ones who didn't roll that way know. They eat each other and the ones that are left over go home and go back to hating each other. Problem solved. Until the next Arab comes riding down from the mountain anyway.
originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Its a huge facility,so lets hope the south gate is well defended.
There's no real hope of the Allies giving air support here,as the whole refinery would burn.
Evil IS count on that fact.
There is only one other option.
seems ISIS is making all kinds of advances today
UN Finds Credible Ties Between ISIS And Israeli Defense Forces
jbuc912 / February 13, 2015
In a new report from the UN, it is revealed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013. Initial reports from the IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but that story fell apart when the UN observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed at this time. Further the UN report identified what the Syrians label a crossing point of forces between Israel and ISIS, a point of concern brought before the UN Security Council. This report from the UN strengthens the claims by the Syrian regime that Israel is heavily involved in operations within the nation.