Freddie Gray's Death Ruled a Homicide; 6 Officers Charged!

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

Yes, and he had numerous run in with law enforcement in those years after the trial. They treated him with kid gloves of course and he got slaps on the wrist.
His case left a very bad taste in my mouth.
I disagreed with the cops being tried and was not happy when they were tried again.

Expevt that to become the norm.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: NavyDoc

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Its appreciated.

I'm an evil bastard liar according to some, but I appreciate your kind words. Thank you.

Then I consider myself in good company.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Nah, I have been call worst in my years here, it gets to the point that you just read laugh and keep posting, but is hard to keep a straight face sometimes and is also harder to stay neutral, specially if you know better . . .

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

Yes, and he had numerous run in with law enforcement in those years after the trial. They treated him with kid gloves of course and he got slaps on the wrist.
His case left a very bad taste in my mouth.
I disagreed with the cops being tried and was not happy when they were tried again.

Expevt that to become the norm.

I fear that you are correct. I am for law and order and to have that, one needs law enforcement.
Law enforcement agencies need a lot of oversight though.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Ha!

Now your changing the goal posts, and declaring a score?

You came into this thread, waving around your authority to support the proposition that Freddie Grey could have been responsible for his own injuries, if the toxicology reports are true, and he was under the influence of marijuana and heroin. You continued to argue that presumption, based on the idea that "we don't have all the facts."

I cited comments from 3 specialists, Internal medicine professional Dave Belk, Dr. David Samadi, an expert in robotic prostrate surgery, and Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, whose opinions on Freddie Greys's injuries had been published by Think Progress. They all disagreed with you, that Grey could have injured himself in this manner. thinkprogress.org...

Your response

Please tell me what makes a urologist an "expert" on spinal injuries and, when do you accept "Faux News" as a valid source?

You continued to press on, that opiates could have caused Freddie Grey to go crazy enough to have injured himself; that we don't have all the facts and it's ignorant and narrow minded to judge the police guilty.

I simply said that if he had heroin in his system, it could have been possible because, and this is very logical if you bother to think, people on opiates do not know how badly they are hurting.

I take it you've never dealt with a patient on drugs. I've seen them gouge their own eyes out. But let's not let ideology get in the way of facts.

I'm not addressing the toxicology report as a fact, I'm just suggesting that, if the report was true, then there is a possible mechanism to explain the issue.

You continued on, still insisting that there are facts that we don't know about, and that Freddie Grey still could have done this to himself.

They are all important to the case because they have to do with how he got where he was. If they show that somone, even himsf or the cops or whomever, put him into the position where he died, then they bear the responsability of his death.

You keep insisting that the fact listed by State's Attorney Mosby ARE NOT the facts, and that there facts that we don't about yet, that could exonerate the police, that could prove that Freddie Grey did this to himself.

Those are not facts, those are positions.

How he died, or at least how he sustained the severe injury that led to his death, is EXTREMELY important because that is where we determine culpability and responsability. If you get hepatitis from shooting up, but die in my care, it's not my fault you had the hepitits that killed you, even if you were in my care, for example.

Still blaming Freddie Grey for his own death.

Freddie Grey died from injuries sustained while in police custody. Not suicide.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Wolfenz

He was present while the group he handed his key sto planned on stealing drugs from some guy and how they would beat him up.

Holle, who had given the police statements in which he seemed to admit knowing about the burglary,

If he knew absolutely nothing about what was going to occur then he would have been fine. The fact he knew and did nothing to stop it made his as liable as those who carried the crime out.

Please spend the time to reading about the incident before making a claim that was untrue.

WTF!!!

I dont give a # ,, Where do you think I care! ???

I All ready Explained All this Crap ... He got Life imprisonment without the Possibility of Parole ...

Be cause He went....... here ya go take my Keys and get some food and beer when you get back! yeah I heard but your just bull#ing because you done this before !! ( to the Roommate )

Right He Probably Knew but He did not Expect a Killing out of it .. Either just like a few of These Baltimore MD officers did not expect a Death to Happen .. Right and that's the Frickin Point !

The law Abides The Felony Murder Rule ... and the Same should go with Police Law Enforcers ...



and where did i say it wasn't true ??

He admitted that His Buddie Said it ,, be Didn't Actually thought his Buddy and his crime Buddies would go through it ... as His Pals said things like this Before more less Pranking a Cry Wolf Situation..

That his Story .According to him .. Do i care Not Really . but for life imprisonment without Parole may be harsh ...

So Equal Justice ... Right ...


The Biggest Problem in this Ordeal is WHY is Baltimore Making this a Racial Black Issue ????

While Half of the 3 out of the 6 are Black Themselves! ???




Before you Saying anything ... I am Not All White Im of a Mix Race... just a Reminder ...

a reply to: Wolfenz

No he got life because he said I know what your plans are, here, take my car.

As for Baltimore and race no clue. I've asked the race questions and no one seems to want to try and answer.

3 of 6 cops charges are black.
BPD is about 40% black.
Black police commissioner.
Black PA.
Bulk of city council is black.
Federal congressional rep is black.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: NavyDoc

You are right Navy, people think that everything is over that the police got their charges and are guilty, they can no be farther from the truth.

The whole thing is just starting.

I'll tell you this is one of the first times in my life I've ever had confidence/ believed a prosecutor. Her specific wording in the probable cause affidavit spelled out that she had the evidence. I believe the speed of the charging also confirms this along with what she's told the Baltimore citizens all along " I will clean up the police department" she's made that vow before this case. You sure don't hear many people talking about it though ?????????

I also like to look into the backgrounds of the individuals involved in the case The officers backgrounds are easy for all to find they are thumbs up and pats on the back about how good of guys they are. I saw some mention of Marilyn Mosbys background but it was in bits and pieces. So I decided to look into that also, I like this source because it gives a good representation of her character and offers counter views on her opinion.

Mosby grew up in Boston and met her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, while they were students at Tuskegee University in Alabama. After clerking at U.S. Attorney's offices in Boston and Washington, she joined the Baltimore State's Attorney's Office in 2005 and moved up the ranks before leaving to work for an insurance company. She defeated incumbent Gregg Bernstein, who outraised her three-to-one, in last June's Democratic primary, and faced only write-in opposition in the general election.

Her official biography declares that "she is the youngest chief prosecutor of any major city in America."

"I think it's very unique that a chief prosecutor who — as young as she is, who lives in a community that has a high amount of violence — that's very unique and she's probably the only one in the entire country," Nick Mosby said. "She's from the inner city, she lives in the inner city, she knows the inner city."

Who is Marilyn Mosby?

Look at the bold, this city loved her long before this case. To me she seems like a intelligent very motivated lady with a lot of background experience and success at a very young age.

I believe she is talking to the Baltimore Police Department that has a long-standing history of violence. By using these charges to kick the door down and yell " Katie bar the gates, All Hells going to break loose".

As with the Michael Brown case we are all going to know the truth when the autopsy becomes available. But it is my firm belief Goodson killed this young man in the van. Because of the specific wording in the probable cause document.

11th lol

Damn that's probably the 10th time I edited with the reply button.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

Ha!

Now your changing the goal posts, and declaring a score?

You came into this thread, waving around your authority to support the proposition that Freddie Grey could have been responsible for his own injuries, if the toxicology reports are true, and he was under the influence of marijuana and heroin. You continued to argue that presumption, based on the idea that "we don't have all the facts."

I cited comments from 3 specialists, Internal medicine professional Dave Belk, Dr. David Samadi, an expert in robotic prostrate surgery, and Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, whose opinions on Freddie Greys's injuries had been published by Think Progress. They all disagreed with you, that Grey could have injured himself in this manner. thinkprogress.org...

Your response

Please tell me what makes a urologist an "expert" on spinal injuries and, when do you accept "Faux News" as a valid source?

You continued to press on, that opiates could have caused Freddie Grey to go crazy enough to have injured himself; that we don't have all the facts and it's ignorant and narrow minded to judge the police guilty.

I simply said that if he had heroin in his system, it could have been possible because, and this is very logical if you bother to think, people on opiates do not know how badly they are hurting.

I take it you've never dealt with a patient on drugs. I've seen them gouge their own eyes out. But let's not let ideology get in the way of facts.

I'm not addressing the toxicology report as a fact, I'm just suggesting that, if the report was true, then there is a possible mechanism to explain the issue.

You continued on, still insisting that there are facts that we don't know about, and that Freddie Grey still could have done this to himself.

They are all important to the case because they have to do with how he got where he was. If they show that somone, even himsf or the cops or whomever, put him into the position where he died, then they bear the responsability of his death.

You keep insisting that the fact listed by State's Attorney Mosby ARE NOT the facts, and that there facts that we don't about yet, that could exonerate the police, that could prove that Freddie Grey did this to himself.

Those are not facts, those are positions.

How he died, or at least how he sustained the severe injury that led to his death, is EXTREMELY important because that is where we determine culpability and responsability. If you get hepatitis from shooting up, but die in my care, it's not my fault you had the hepitits that killed you, even if you were in my care, for example.

Still blaming Freddie Grey for his own death.

Freddie Grey died from injuries sustained while in police custody. Not suicide.

Nonsense. I didn't say anything you accuse me of--I was just discussing possibilities.

I find it rather amusing that you use Fox News contributors as authorities. Is Fix News reliable or not?

a reply to: NavyDoc

Have you seen this doc? This is hilarious it's a public service announcement from Rodney King and Reginald Denny!!! Lmao

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: NavyDoc

Have you seen this doc? This is hilarious it's a public service announcement from Rodney King and Reginald Denny!!! Lmao

That's a good one. This thread definately needed some humor to offset the rabid fanatics.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Those were quotes from you, from this thread.

I find it rather amusing that you use Fox News contributors as authorities. Is Fix News reliable or not?

Please link where I cited Fox News. In this thread, I've cited NPR, The Washington Post and Think Progress.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

Those were quotes from you, from this thread.

I find it rather amusing that you use Fox News contributors as authorities. Is Fix News reliable or not?

Please link where I cited Fox News. In this thread, I've cited NPR, The Washington Post and Think Progress.

This shows how ignorantly are because some (and I wont help you out by telling you who) of those you cite are paid Fox News commentators so, the question remains. Is Fox News reliable or not and. Will you go to a urologist and ab internal med doc for your next spinal injury?

a reply to: windword

Dude maybe one or two quotes out of that wall of text you keep sending apply. I was following the thread then he was just explaining variables/personal experience to you he was not giving opinions. Many of his quotes could in fact have bearing on the case/jury. But I think you've inserted a position in where he honestly had none.

Just trying to be neighborly and explain. Because many of us at one time or another get our heart around a topic. Then the blood rushes to our ears and we can't hear so well.

Peace.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Quicker than I'd go to you!

The facts remain. Freddie didn't cause his own injuries.

a reply to: OpinionatedB
First and foremost, finally 'police brutality' is discussed again. I cannot go into it now, but I've always hated law enforcement. Even before college (in the '70s) when I was gleefully pelting them with rocks and bottles, I've had a particular disdain for them.
No, I'm no criminal. My only crimes have been driving over the speed limit (and getting caught)
and purchasing # I can't mention here (and not being caught) for over 40 years.
That said, where is the big loss here? Why all the press?
This crap happens every day.
Watch out for The New Klan, folks. Something must be done. It's time.

a reply to: Greathouse

Thanks for trying to help. but, before Mosby's press conference, there was another thread that's emphasis was on allegations that Freddie Grey caused his own injuries, and mine and NavyDoc's conversation is a carry over from that thread, too.

There's still a big push to dehumanize and blame Freddie Grey for his own murder, as a means to exonerate the police. It's a pattern we see all too often.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

Quicker than I'd go to you!

The facts remain. Freddie didn't cause his own injuries.

Avoided the question I see. Again, since you reference a Fox News commentators as authorities, is Fox News reliable or not? Yes or no?