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Freddie Gray's Death Ruled a Homicide; 6 Officers Charged!

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posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

So you saw a guy on heroin gouge his own eyes out?




posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

You mean the 'leaked' toxicology report by an unnamed source that is then parroted by fox?

Must be a fact!

How much force would it take for someone to cause the injury he had to ones self?



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy\


The one where they claimed nothing inappropriate was seen on the camera, yeah that one.

it will come out in court.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

So you saw a guy on heroin gouge his own eyes out?


Yeah. I've seen a lot of crap and there are a lot of possibilities that a logical person with critical thinking skills must consider.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: butcherguy\


The one where they claimed nothing inappropriate was seen on the camera, yeah that one.

it will come out in court.


You have to admit, we are forced to take the word of the police department, and they have been shown lying in this case.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

You mean the 'leaked' toxicology report by an unnamed source that is then parroted by fox?

Must be a fact!

How much force would it take for someone to cause the injury he had to ones self?


Still must be considered as a possability, assuming one wants to see the truth rather than have their preconceived notions supported.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

So you saw a guy on heroin gouge his own eyes out?


Yeah. I've seen a lot of crap and there are a lot of possibilities that a logical person with critical thinking skills must consider.

You should write a paper on the case, because it is not the effect that heroin has on people.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: butcherguy\


The one where they claimed nothing inappropriate was seen on the camera, yeah that one.

it will come out in court.


You have to admit, we are forced to take the word of the police department, and they have been shown lying in this case.


Honestly, any report that does not line up with what you believe is going to be rejected as part of a conspiracy, yes?



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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And critical thinking would say that we should not listen to the leaked reports since most of the stuff that has been leaked thus far has been bunk.
First it was gray had a preexisting neck injury/surgery, then it was the the man on the other side said he heard him trashing around and now that the toxicology is already leaked when they said it would take much longer to get back.

And was it really heroin when the person gauged their eyes out? Sounds like something someone on pcp or speed would do.
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posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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Why do people find it impossible that people can inflict such sever pain and suffering on themselves?

I have seen a guy with 2 visually broken arms he received during a his crash while trying to flee police. The meth he was on masked the pain very well.

PCP inhibits pain receptors.
Heroine can inhibit pain.

WebMD -


How Opioids Work

Opioid drugs work by binding to opioid receptors in the brain, spinal cord, and other areas of the body. They reduce the sending of pain messages to the brain and reduce feelings of pain.

Opioids are used to treat moderate to severe pain that may not respond well to other pain medications.

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posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

So you saw a guy on heroin gouge his own eyes out?


Yeah. I've seen a lot of crap and there are a lot of possibilities that a logical person with critical thinking skills must consider.

You should write a paper on the case, because it is not the effect that heroin has on people.


It isn't? And this is based on your vast experience of what?

People on opiates feel no pain. They have fought on with broken bones, walked with pelvic fractures, and have ignored things that would make you collapse. If you knew the physiology of morphine, you would understand, but obviously you do not.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

You have to admit, we are forced to take the word of the police department, and they have been shown lying in this case.


What did they lie about? Serious question because I may have missed something.
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posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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If you want to play it that way, have fun with it.
I tend to be a little iffy about believing one party when they have shown to be lying.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

The stop outside the convenience store comes to mind.
Was that in the initial information that they released?



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

And critical thinking would say that we should not listen to the leaked reports since most of the stuff that has been leaked thus far has been bunk.
First it was gray had a preexisting neck injury/surgery, then it was the the man on the other side said he heard him trashing around and now that the toxicology is already leaked when they said it would take much longer to get back.

And was it really heroin when the person gauged their eyes out? Sounds like something someone on pcp or speed would do.


No, critical thinking involves considering all possibilities and making no judgements without evidence. I'm simply suggesting possibilities, without making judgements. You guys are those who refuse to consider anything that does not line up with the beliefs you had from the outset. That is not critical thinking.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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Post after post you have described a situation where Mr. Gray did this to him self.

But that is possible, especially with a toxicology report that indicates he had drugs in his system.


Again with your faux authoritative "facts"?! Medical professionals disagree with you.


Internal medicine professional Dave Belk speculates that Gray likely suffered a hyperextension injury, telling ThinkProgress that the damage done to Gray’s spine would require an untold amount of force.

“Freddie Gray didn’t stand up in the back of that van and twist his back,” Belk said. “What it would take to break a person’s spine is heavy trauma. The spine is so guarded, so an injury like his would take a lot of force like jumping from a second floor building or getting hit by a motor vehicle. It doesn’t just happen out of nowhere.”

Other medical professionals agree. Dr. David Samadi, an expert in robotic prostrate surgery and a medical correspondent for several news outlets, wrote an op-ed for the New York Daily News that also challenged the Baltimore Police Department’s version of events, saying that even if Freddie Gray tried to injure himself in the police van, he couldn’t have done so in a way that would cause serious spinal cord injuries.

“There must be a sudden, traumatic blow to the spine that fractures, dislocates, crushes or compresses one or more of the vertebrae, or when a gun shot or knife penetrates the spinal cord,” Samadi wrote.

“You have to apply a significant amount of force in order to break somebody’s neck,” Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, agreed in an interview with the Baltimore Sun.
thinkprogress.org...



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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One glaring example was that the arrest of Gray was not violent and that it was uneventful. That was issued before he died.
Another would be when they said there were three stops in the van when there were four.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: windword
Again with your faux authoritative "facts"?! Medical professionals disagree with you.


really?


Internal medicine professional Dave Belk speculates that Gray ..........


ok
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posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

If you want to play it that way, have fun with it.
I tend to be a little iffy about believing one party when they have shown to be lying.


No, you don't believe anyone due to preconceived notions. It does not matter what the facts actually are, Gray will always be the victim to you.



posted on May, 2 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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Be honest with yourself...
It's not like Mr. Gray was a stranger to heroin and other drugs...You know he had to be an addict.
Why is it so hard to believe his toxicology report said he tested positive for drugs?
Again...remember you're being honest with yourself, not saying what you wish was true.

Freddie Gray Arrest Record:


March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)


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