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Putin's Propaganda Machine.

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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: mSparks43




then perhaps you didn't notice
that 25% of the ukraines 80 odd billion dollars of exports are to Russia.
which the EU agreement would of forbidden


According to this it isn't...


Russia is the third trading partner of the EU and the EU is the first trading partner of Russia.
Trade between the two economies showed steep growth rates until mid-2008 when the trend was interrupted by the economic crisis and unilateral measures adopted by Russia, which had a negative impact on EU-Russia trade. Since 2010 mutual trade has resumed its growth reaching record levels in 2012.
EU exports to Russia are dominated by machinery and transport equipment, chemicals, medecines and agricultural products.
EU imports from Russia are dominated by raw materials, in particular, oil (crude and refined) and gas. For these products, as well as for other important raw materials, Russia has committed in the WTO to freeze or reduce its export duties.
The EU is the most important investor in Russia. It is estimated that up to 75% of Foreign Direct Investment stocks in Russia come from EU Member States (including Cyprus).


ec.europa.eu...

So why would the EU prohibit Ukraine from trading with Russia when the EU already does?




posted on May, 6 2015 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Take it easy on him he probably got his information from RT.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

Putin is a greater threat to the world than any politician in Canada, and yet you seem to hate this country. You're constantly there quick to defend Putin, and half the time you act like you're a card carrying member of his cult of personality. I'm not going to question where your loyalties lay, because frankly I could give a #.

You have the tremendous good fortune of living in one of the happiest, healthiest, wealthiest free nations in the world, but the only person you've got anything good to say about is Putin.

I believe that it is likely that at some point this century, what's been on the brink of happening since VE Day 1945 is finally going to happen, the west is going to experience total war with Russia. Probably during Putin's lifetime, as Russia becomes increasingly isolated and militaristic. If/when that happens, it's not going to pretty for anybody, and you're going to have some serious soul searching to do. Have you considered avoiding that situation entirely and simply emigrating to Russia before TSHTF?



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: mSparks43

One can always count on a Putin fanboy to bring the class: making fun of an 80+ year old woman for incontinence. Believe me when I tell you that I'm no royalist, there are a nearly countless number of things you could have taken a jab at her with, and you picked the lowest hanging fruit. I'd ask 'have you no shame?' but as a rule I avoid asking questions I already know the answer to.
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: mSparks43




then perhaps you didn't notice
that 25% of the ukraines 80 odd billion dollars of exports are to Russia.
which the EU agreement would of forbidden


According to this it isn't...


Russia is the third trading partner of the EU and the EU is the first trading partner of Russia.
Trade between the two economies showed steep growth rates until mid-2008 when the trend was interrupted by the economic crisis and unilateral measures adopted by Russia, which had a negative impact on EU-Russia trade. Since 2010 mutual trade has resumed its growth reaching record levels in 2012.
EU exports to Russia are dominated by machinery and transport equipment, chemicals, medecines and agricultural products.
EU imports from Russia are dominated by raw materials, in particular, oil (crude and refined) and gas. For these products, as well as for other important raw materials, Russia has committed in the WTO to freeze or reduce its export duties.
The EU is the most important investor in Russia. It is estimated that up to 75% of Foreign Direct Investment stocks in Russia come from EU Member States (including Cyprus).


ec.europa.eu...

So why would the EU prohibit Ukraine from trading with Russia when the EU already does?


Looking at his posts he has some serious misunderstanding on events. I'm beginning to doubt he's from the west. He is either in a country with controlled media because he seems to not been told alot. Or he has such a hatred of the western countries that he only supports anything that attacks the west.

Either way he's been wrong so often at this point it's not funny. With Internet access you would think he would look some things up once in a while. The deal with the EU in no way effected anything they were doing with Russia. In fact it would help Russis giving them another access point to the EU. Russian products could have been shipped through Ukraine easier and cheaper.



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Putin is a greater threat to the world than any politician in Canada, and yet you seem to hate this country. You're constantly there quick to defend Putin, and half the time you act like you're a card carrying member of his cult of personality. I'm not going to question where your loyalties lay, because frankly I could give a #.

You have the tremendous good fortune of living in one of the happiest, healthiest, wealthiest free nations in the world, but the only person you've got anything good to say about is Putin.

I believe that it is likely that at some point this century, what's been on the brink of happening since VE Day 1945 is finally going to happen, the west is going to experience total war with Russia. Probably during Putin's lifetime, as Russia becomes increasingly isolated and militaristic. If/when that happens, it's not going to pretty for anybody, and you're going to have some serious soul searching to do. Have you considered avoiding that situation entirely and simply emigrating to Russia before TSHTF?


I grew up in a trappers cabin... where were you before we sold our soul to the banks for your "happiness"?? You must have been one of the lucky ones.

Your not the first person on here to insinuate I am a "commy" like it's 50 years ago. I AM CANADIAN, AND RUSSIANS ARE MY ALLIES!!

Shall I say it again?



posted on May, 6 2015 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

Where did I insinuate that you were a 'commie'? At best, I insinuated that you love Russia more than your birth counry. Personally I have nothing against communism/communists. Assumptions, you know, make an ass outta u blah blah and so on.

What exactly is it about Putin that you love so much? At this point I'm genuinely interested. The murder of dissidents? The Moscow apartment bombings he helped mastermind, indiscriminately killing scores of his own people?

If/when the Russians do invade the Canadian arctic, at least consider changing your tone RE 'Russia being your ally.' Or maybe you could hop on your snowmachine and go join up with them.

I'm genuinely sorry that you're miserable in Canada. Personally, I wouldn't rather live anywhere else on the planet. You're a homophobic russophile stuck in Gay Marriage legalizing, increasingly progressive Canada.
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posted on May, 6 2015 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Where did I insinuate that you were a 'commie'? At best, I insinuated that you love Russia more than your birth counry. Personally I have nothing against communism/communists. Assumptions, you know, make an ass outta u blah blah and so on.

What exactly is it about Putin that you love so much? At this point I'm genuinely interested. The murder of dissidents? The Moscow apartment bombings he helped mastermind, indiscriminately killing scores of his own people?

If/when the Russians do invade the Canadian arctic, at least consider changing your tone RE 'Russia being your ally.' Or maybe you could hop on your snowmachine and go join up with them.

I'm genuinely sorry that you're miserable in Canada. Personally, I wouldn't rather live anywhere else on the planet. You're a homophobic russophile stuck in Gay Marriage legalizing, increasingly progressive Canada.


What are you saying? Be more specific.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Because the Ukraine was/is (kinda not clear anymore) a "free trading zone".
The agreement was to end that.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

looking at your posts we have a very different understanding of the world. my summary is you are hooked on the drivel fed you by big business. the world is a much more interesting place than that. get some of your news from source for a change.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

hmm.
not sure we're at the level of maturity needed to discuss the intricacies of international trade.

probably best to stick to what jobs are on offer from the different national figureheads.

perhaps you can start.
Moldova actually signed the economic agreement.
perhaps you can explain how that's working out for them.

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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 02:11 AM
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a reply to: Greathouse

You think they are public documents?

"forbidden" probably a bad word to use. "prevented" "killed" "stopped" maybe better
Long and short of it. (AIUI)
the trade agreement would have removed tarrifs on trade with the EU, and enforced them on trade with Russia.
Meaning no more sales to Russia (no longer competitive prices)
And debatable sales in the EU (not clear the EU would pick up the slack)

Non of that makes any sense unless you understand the more interesting details of things like
www.businessinsider.com...

"underground economy" the new newspeak for "socialist trading".
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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 02:20 AM
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a reply to: mSparks43

No source ?

What a surprise.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 02:57 AM
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a reply to: Greathouse

what source do you want.
EU having tariffs on trade with Russia?

Go to the WTO for that.

If you are looking for a source of "what would of happened if something that didn't happen did".....
I know where you can get it.
How much you got to spend?

If you are looking for "cheap".
Look to what's happening in Moldova.
Where that something "did" happen.
I think our mates at Stratfor have some stuff free for public consumption.
www.stratfor.com...
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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 03:28 AM
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a reply to: mSparks43

The original source I ask you for will be fine.

That was the source to your claim that it was illegal for the Ukraine to export 25% of its goods to Russia. Before sanctions.


I'm really not asking much you made the claim please supply the source.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 03:33 AM
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a reply to: Greathouse

cool, so you want the "what would of happened if something that didn't happen did"
variety


Can be arranged.

How much you got to spend?

My going rate for something like that is several hundred thousand dollars
You'll probably get the Russian analysis for cheaper if you get in touch with Sergey Glazyev.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: mSparks43




Because the Ukraine was/is (kinda not clear anymore) a "free trading zone".
The agreement was to end that.


Please provide anything that you can find as source for this info, because I have already asked why would the EU keep Ukraine from trading with Russia when they the EU already allows it?



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: mSparks43
a reply to: Greathouse

cool, so you want the "what would of happened if something that didn't happen did"
variety


Can be arranged.

How much you got to spend?

My going rate for something like that is several hundred thousand dollars
You'll probably get the Russian analysis for cheaper if you get in touch with Sergey Glazyev.


Ran into a problem with Russian propaganda didn't you? There was nothing in the EU agreement that would have restricted trade with Russia in any way. What there was that Rusia didn't like is inspections mandatory by all EU countries of incoming goods. See this means Russia couldn't dump off inferior products on Ukraine anymore.It required Ukraine to conform to technical and consumer standards upheld by the European Union. Meaning also consumer protection again Russia couldn't just sell garbage to Ukraine they would have to back their products. And fruit and vegetables would be required to go through safety inspectuons. This is why Russia became upset no one to sell their worthless stuff to.



posted on May, 7 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

did you even google Sergey Glazyev and see what his comments were about the situation?
just took me all of three seconds.
nationalinterest.org...

did you do any investigation into what has happened in Moldova since they signed?

how about yu provide a source explaining why it would be good for the ukraine. perhaps submit a foi request for their economic assessment of the agreement.



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posted on May, 7 2015 @ 05:19 PM
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hope you got your survival pack ready.

just remember.
all wars are civil wars.
because all men are brothers.

to late now to change the outcome of this one.




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