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Freddie Gray had spinal surgery a week before the arrest ??

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posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality
a reply to: Vasa Croe

better view of his legs, your view is another perspective


A better view or another perspective do not matter. What you stated in your earlier post were untrue and that is clearly shown in the video I posted....he is standing ON HIS OWN on the back of the van, he TURNS HIS HEAD and looks right at the camera, he then DUCKS his head down and bends over and steps into the van ON HIS OWN. There is no other perspective needed here.....

AANNND was driven around for THIRTY MINUTES, stopped once to be shackled and continued to the station. Now honestly, did that look like a person that needed to first go get booked, or first get medical attention?



Funny though, everyone is so quick to jump on the wagon that these officers killed him, when it is MORE likely they have dealt with him before and knew him.....odd there are no other cases coming up where he claimed any police brutality in his years of criminal activity in the same town.....
Making the speculation of a spinal injury that much worse for the cops, they would know about freddie's back problem, I mean since we are speculating.




posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: [post=19290643]Vasa Croe

Kind of a far cry from dealing drugs, but hey...maybe someday this will happen. Likely I won't run from police when they find me though....the "crimes" you mentioned are not exactly felonies nor considered dangerous. So far the good ole USA is treating this law abiding citizen just fine....shocking right?

I guess you would label these "white people crimes" since you are so hellbent on "thug" and whatever else being racist?


Ohg, I am sure in your mind, that white people don't sell drugs.


Sure they do, but you only gave me those three options, which were all very white of you.

You call people racist for saying thug and multiple offence criminal, which Gray was both, then tell me that I am going to be arrested for things that I have never even gotten tickets for......way to project.

Typical argument with a lot of folks here.....try to bring a non-criminal to the level of a known criminal with ridiculous comparisons.



America is filling up with laws. Someday they're sure to pass one that even you will break.

You are an interesting semanticist, at least.


Oh....I meant to add, that maybe, someday, a person with a squeeky clean background will die in a nefarious manner by the police and actually have a cause to riot....

People love martyrs, especially when they really are squeeky clean. The trouble with MSM martyrs is that the MSM portrays them as the families say they were too quickly without having the whole picture and are often caught holding the bag when the real information comes out.


If the laws aren't applied to everyone equally, what's the difference if they are squeaky clean or a drug dealer? The system is flawed and immoral at that point, and it's open season on everyone.


They are applied equally...so, if I use one of your earlier examples and I am jaywalking.....I see a cop coming towards me....I am not doing anything I think is wrong so I don't run, yet I still get a ticket. Even if I KNEW jaywalking is wrong and see the officer coming towards me, I am not going to run. That just exacerbates the issue.

Gray ran, KNOWING he was doing something wrong (again), forcing officers to chase and take him down.


LAws applied equally:

www.wsj.com...


Too bad there are no links to the actual data used for the study. It just says blacks were sentenced to more time than whites for the same crimes. Nothing about prior convictions or anything to do with the circumstances of the arrest, such as they gave up peacefully or they ran.

These "studies" are typically done specifically for bias to be shown, usually for political reasons....very similar to the pro/anti gun arguments.

Find me the link to the study and I will happily point out where they were biased.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Well he certainly didn't look like he was under any duress when he stepped into the van on his own...


Are you kidding? Did you watch the same video that I did? His legs were paralyzed and he was screaming out in pain!

I don't care if he had surgery before, he needed medical attention RIGHT THEN and they inhumanely ignored his needs and caused his death.

End of story!



Then please explain how, in the video I posted a couple pages back, he was able to stand up on his own, turn his head to look back, duck down and step into the van ALL ON HIS OWN.

Hard for someone paralyzed to do that I think....but I am not a doctor.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Well he certainly didn't look like he was under any duress when he stepped into the van on his own...


Are you kidding? Did you watch the same video that I did? His legs were paralyzed and he was screaming out in pain!

I don't care if he had surgery before, he needed medical attention RIGHT THEN and they inhumanely ignored his needs and caused his death.

End of story!


vasa's video had 2 minutes of news before the actual video, he/she may have come to a conclusion BEFORE the actual video it seems unfortunately



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: pilgrimOmega




I should have asked: Would you tell your son's black girlfriend "If black lives matter why are there line ups at the inner city abortion clinics?"


So then, because of abortion, black lives don't really matter? Because of abortion, police can kill black suspects with impunity?



Well, that was the argument I am fighting against here, did you read the whole thread?



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality
a reply to: Vasa Croe

better view of his legs, your view is another perspective


A better view or another perspective do not matter. What you stated in your earlier post were untrue and that is clearly shown in the video I posted....he is standing ON HIS OWN on the back of the van, he TURNS HIS HEAD and looks right at the camera, he then DUCKS his head down and bends over and steps into the van ON HIS OWN. There is no other perspective needed here.....

AANNND was driven around for THIRTY MINUTES, stopped once to be shackled and continued to the station. Now honestly, did that look like a person that needed to first go get booked, or first get medical attention?



Funny though, everyone is so quick to jump on the wagon that these officers killed him, when it is MORE likely they have dealt with him before and knew him.....odd there are no other cases coming up where he claimed any police brutality in his years of criminal activity in the same town.....
Making the speculation of a spinal injury that much worse for the cops, they would know about freddie's back problem, I mean since we are speculating.


Why would the cops know about his spinal injury? As far as I understand the law, hospitals are not allowed to divulge that and the story of it was leaked because of the nature of the injury to his back in relation to this case.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Well he certainly didn't look like he was under any duress when he stepped into the van on his own...


Are you kidding? Did you watch the same video that I did? His legs were paralyzed and he was screaming out in pain!

I don't care if he had surgery before, he needed medical attention RIGHT THEN and they inhumanely ignored his needs and caused his death.

End of story!




Hard for someone paralyzed to do that I think....but I am not a doctor.


EXACTLY BINGO, so when did he become paralyzed? Keep in mind the source of the story is still speculative at best, unless I missed the concrete evidence of this "truth"



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: [post=19290643]Vasa Croe

Kind of a far cry from dealing drugs, but hey...maybe someday this will happen. Likely I won't run from police when they find me though....the "crimes" you mentioned are not exactly felonies nor considered dangerous. So far the good ole USA is treating this law abiding citizen just fine....shocking right?

I guess you would label these "white people crimes" since you are so hellbent on "thug" and whatever else being racist?


Ohg, I am sure in your mind, that white people don't sell drugs.


Sure they do, but you only gave me those three options, which were all very white of you.

You call people racist for saying thug and multiple offence criminal, which Gray was both, then tell me that I am going to be arrested for things that I have never even gotten tickets for......way to project.

Typical argument with a lot of folks here.....try to bring a non-criminal to the level of a known criminal with ridiculous comparisons.



America is filling up with laws. Someday they're sure to pass one that even you will break.

You are an interesting semanticist, at least.


Oh....I meant to add, that maybe, someday, a person with a squeeky clean background will die in a nefarious manner by the police and actually have a cause to riot....

People love martyrs, especially when they really are squeeky clean. The trouble with MSM martyrs is that the MSM portrays them as the families say they were too quickly without having the whole picture and are often caught holding the bag when the real information comes out.


If the laws aren't applied to everyone equally, what's the difference if they are squeaky clean or a drug dealer? The system is flawed and immoral at that point, and it's open season on everyone.


They are applied equally...so, if I use one of your earlier examples and I am jaywalking.....I see a cop coming towards me....I am not doing anything I think is wrong so I don't run, yet I still get a ticket. Even if I KNEW jaywalking is wrong and see the officer coming towards me, I am not going to run. That just exacerbates the issue.

Gray ran, KNOWING he was doing something wrong (again), forcing officers to chase and take him down.


LAws applied equally:

www.wsj.com...


Too bad there are no links to the actual data used for the study. It just says blacks were sentenced to more time than whites for the same crimes. Nothing about prior convictions or anything to do with the circumstances of the arrest, such as they gave up peacefully or they ran.

These "studies" are typically done specifically for bias to be shown, usually for political reasons....very similar to the pro/anti gun arguments.

Find me the link to the study and I will happily point out where they were biased.


Yeah, well, I mean, you do seem to know a lot more than anyone else. Clearly, you have the answers. Oh, and megalomania, you have that too.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality
a reply to: Vasa Croe

better view of his legs, your view is another perspective


A better view or another perspective do not matter. What you stated in your earlier post were untrue and that is clearly shown in the video I posted....he is standing ON HIS OWN on the back of the van, he TURNS HIS HEAD and looks right at the camera, he then DUCKS his head down and bends over and steps into the van ON HIS OWN. There is no other perspective needed here.....

AANNND was driven around for THIRTY MINUTES, stopped once to be shackled and continued to the station. Now honestly, did that look like a person that needed to first go get booked, or first get medical attention?



Funny though, everyone is so quick to jump on the wagon that these officers killed him, when it is MORE likely they have dealt with him before and knew him.....odd there are no other cases coming up where he claimed any police brutality in his years of criminal activity in the same town.....
Making the speculation of a spinal injury that much worse for the cops, they would know about freddie's back problem, I mean since we are speculating.


Why would the cops know about his spinal injury? As far as I understand the law, hospitals are not allowed to divulge that and the story of it was leaked because of the nature of the injury to his back in relation to this case.

You've never lived the "bad life", cute. If the cops know him, they know EVERYTHING about him, trust me.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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I'm skeptical about this claim of surgery a week prior to his arrest. I have a family member who had vertebrae fused following a car accident and at least in this state, lawyers wait until the last possible moment to file suit so that they can get the maximum documentation of permanent injury. In the case of my family member, the surgery followed the accident by a couple months and the settlement was approximately two years after accident.

Some news blogs and self-described investigative journalists have developed a recent history of pushing false allegations in situations like this because a certain segment of the population strongly believes that most black men are criminals. The sentiment is clearly being echoed in several comments within this thread.

It's not really hard to understand what the underlying agenda might be:

1. Shift the blame to the deceased, justifying the actions of the police.
2. Invalidate the protesters.
3. "Prove" that systemic racism doesn't exist and that black folks are just whiners who blame "whitey" for everything.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Well he certainly didn't look like he was under any duress when he stepped into the van on his own...


Are you kidding? Did you watch the same video that I did? His legs were paralyzed and he was screaming out in pain!

I don't care if he had surgery before, he needed medical attention RIGHT THEN and they inhumanely ignored his needs and caused his death.

End of story!



Here...let me point out exactly where you are incorrect:



So, being paralyzed and all, he can sure stand up, turn his head and smile well, before getting into the van on his own.....



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: pilgrimOmega


Yep, blame everyone else but do not take any personal responsibility for one's own predicament. Then you have stories like this girl I saw on the news last night who didn't make excuses.

"It is one of those life moments that changes everything.
Home video shows Shamyra Woods-Elliot of Chester, Delaware County learning that she is the recipient of a Gates Millennium Scholarship, one of only 1,000 given out every year through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
"I'm a very focused and determined person and when I set a goal, I plan on achieving it," Shamyra said."
6abc.com...



I should have asked: Would you tell your son's black girlfriend "If black lives matter why are there line ups at the inner city abortion clinics?"

I should also ask, if it's about taking responsibility, when is America going to address stealing hundreds of thousands of Africans from their home and bringing them to a new land to live as slaves and property?



Ok, I will ask her perspective. I know she was appalled by what happened in Baltimore.

As far as the slaves, I guess it would be appropriate for America, as a whole, since I get a vibe you are turning this into a racial thing, to take responsibility for slavery. If you're talking about reparations, I guess both blacks and whites will have to put something in the kitty since the first slave owner in America was black, and there were thousands of black slave owners.

"First Slave owner in the US was black and more history they don't want you to know
There were thousands of black slave owners in the South."
www.liveleak.com...



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: beezzer

Kind of empowering criminals to commit crimes against police officers or any other public authority with public approval.

I was thinking the same thing earlier, that is the desirable goal by those that wants anarchy and chaos to rule inner cities this days.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: [post=19290643]Vasa Croe

Kind of a far cry from dealing drugs, but hey...maybe someday this will happen. Likely I won't run from police when they find me though....the "crimes" you mentioned are not exactly felonies nor considered dangerous. So far the good ole USA is treating this law abiding citizen just fine....shocking right?

I guess you would label these "white people crimes" since you are so hellbent on "thug" and whatever else being racist?


Ohg, I am sure in your mind, that white people don't sell drugs.


Sure they do, but you only gave me those three options, which were all very white of you.

You call people racist for saying thug and multiple offence criminal, which Gray was both, then tell me that I am going to be arrested for things that I have never even gotten tickets for......way to project.

Typical argument with a lot of folks here.....try to bring a non-criminal to the level of a known criminal with ridiculous comparisons.



America is filling up with laws. Someday they're sure to pass one that even you will break.

You are an interesting semanticist, at least.


Oh....I meant to add, that maybe, someday, a person with a squeeky clean background will die in a nefarious manner by the police and actually have a cause to riot....

People love martyrs, especially when they really are squeeky clean. The trouble with MSM martyrs is that the MSM portrays them as the families say they were too quickly without having the whole picture and are often caught holding the bag when the real information comes out.


If the laws aren't applied to everyone equally, what's the difference if they are squeaky clean or a drug dealer? The system is flawed and immoral at that point, and it's open season on everyone.


They are applied equally...so, if I use one of your earlier examples and I am jaywalking.....I see a cop coming towards me....I am not doing anything I think is wrong so I don't run, yet I still get a ticket. Even if I KNEW jaywalking is wrong and see the officer coming towards me, I am not going to run. That just exacerbates the issue.

Gray ran, KNOWING he was doing something wrong (again), forcing officers to chase and take him down.


LAws applied equally:

www.wsj.com...


Too bad there are no links to the actual data used for the study. It just says blacks were sentenced to more time than whites for the same crimes. Nothing about prior convictions or anything to do with the circumstances of the arrest, such as they gave up peacefully or they ran.

These "studies" are typically done specifically for bias to be shown, usually for political reasons....very similar to the pro/anti gun arguments.

Find me the link to the study and I will happily point out where they were biased.


Yeah, well, I mean, you do seem to know a lot more than anyone else. Clearly, you have the answers. Oh, and megalomania, you have that too.


Oooo...name calling.....another favorite of a non-argument. And no, I don't have all the answers. I have common sense. Why don't we just sit back and let this one play out....If I am wrong then I will come back here and say I was wrong.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
I'm skeptical about this claim of surgery a week prior to his arrest. I have a family member who had vertebrae fused following a car accident and at least in this state, lawyers wait until the last possible moment to file suit so that they can get the maximum documentation of permanent injury. In the case of my family member, the surgery followed the accident by a couple months and the settlement was approximately two years after accident.

Some news blogs and self-described investigative journalists have developed a recent history of pushing false allegations in situations like this because a certain segment of the population strongly believes that most black men are criminals. The sentiment is clearly being echoed in several comments within this thread.

It's not really hard to understand what the underlying agenda might be:

1. Shift the blame to the deceased, justifying the actions of the police.
2. Invalidate the protesters.
3. "Prove" that systemic racism doesn't exist and that black folks are just whiners who blame "whitey" for everything.


All three of those heavy in this thread... :/



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: beezzer

Kind of empowering criminals to commit crimes against police officers or any other public authority with public approval.

I was thinking the same thing earlier, that is the desirable goal by those that wants anarchy and chaos to rule inner cities this days.



Everyone is a victim now.

No-one is to blame.

Hell, even CNN is blaming Baltimore on returning veterans.

The inmates are truely ruling the asylum.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Well he certainly didn't look like he was under any duress when he stepped into the van on his own...


Are you kidding? Did you watch the same video that I did? His legs were paralyzed and he was screaming out in pain!

I don't care if he had surgery before, he needed medical attention RIGHT THEN and they inhumanely ignored his needs and caused his death.

End of story!



Then please explain how, in the video I posted a couple pages back, he was able to stand up on his own, turn his head to look back, duck down and step into the van ALL ON HIS OWN.

Hard for someone paralyzed to do that I think....but I am not a doctor.[/v]


Right, you're not a doctor!

I saw the video and he wasn't able able to step into the van. Witnesses were yelling at the police to use care because he couldn't "use his legs", his "legs were broken". He didn't have a severed spine when he ran from the police the truth of the matter is, he suffered a severed spine in police custody.

The police were willfully negligent. They killed the guy for no good reason. Three's no way around that!



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Neutrality
a reply to: Vasa Croe

better view of his legs, your view is another perspective


A better view or another perspective do not matter. What you stated in your earlier post were untrue and that is clearly shown in the video I posted....he is standing ON HIS OWN on the back of the van, he TURNS HIS HEAD and looks right at the camera, he then DUCKS his head down and bends over and steps into the van ON HIS OWN. There is no other perspective needed here.....

AANNND was driven around for THIRTY MINUTES, stopped once to be shackled and continued to the station. Now honestly, did that look like a person that needed to first go get booked, or first get medical attention?



Funny though, everyone is so quick to jump on the wagon that these officers killed him, when it is MORE likely they have dealt with him before and knew him.....odd there are no other cases coming up where he claimed any police brutality in his years of criminal activity in the same town.....
Making the speculation of a spinal injury that much worse for the cops, they would know about freddie's back problem, I mean since we are speculating.


Why would the cops know about his spinal injury? As far as I understand the law, hospitals are not allowed to divulge that and the story of it was leaked because of the nature of the injury to his back in relation to this case.

You've never lived the "bad life", cute. If the cops know him, they know EVERYTHING about him, trust me.


Ummm......no. They don't. They know nothing about medical records. Especially from one week prior.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Well he certainly didn't look like he was under any duress when he stepped into the van on his own...


Are you kidding? Did you watch the same video that I did? His legs were paralyzed and he was screaming out in pain!

I don't care if he had surgery before, he needed medical attention RIGHT THEN and they inhumanely ignored his needs and caused his death.

End of story!



Here...let me point out exactly where you are incorrect:



So, being paralyzed and all, he can sure stand up, turn his head and smile well, before getting into the van on his own.....


Oh, My, God.

You REALLY believe he turned and smiled at the camera...you REALLY believe that. I was going to ask but I can jst tell



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable
Yep, Baltimore will become the next Detroit.


It isn't already?




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