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The "nothing" after death

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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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Those who believe in there being nothing after death, doesn't the same hold true for before you were born? There was nothing or "darkness" and then there was light when you first opened your eyes. That "nothing" turned into this "something" you experience right now, which is what we call life. If you believe there is nothing after we die, would you consider the fact that that "nothing" will eventually turn into "something" just as it did before you were born?

What if where death ends, life begins again? Like I said, the same thing you believe happens after you die was exactly the same as before you were born, yet the nothing before you were born turned into this something. Why, in your opinion, would the same not hold true for the afterlife? What if we're in the "afterlife" right now, or that "nothing" turning into "something", darkness into light.

Just a thought I've been having. The universe is full of cycles, pretty much everything works in cycles, why would we be any different?




posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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too many rely on what can be quantified, labeled, and peer reviewed, or what in their mind is 'proven' instead of what is. Unfortunately those people do a great deal of damage to those of us who are genuinely struggling for some Eternal Truths, whether they realize or even intend to or not. Just my two cents.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Yeah, interesting thought. I lean toward "there is nothing" once we die. I have have often pondered if we are just going in circles though, and when I die will I be born into the same life again? Infinite loop of the same life, for some that would be a horrifying thought.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Hey, nice thoughts. I was always thinking about that: where I was before I was born? I think the death it's a state like dream... but at the end You are not going to wake up. Like when You are sleeping but without dreaming, 'darkness' is the best adjective.


ps: I truly believe in life after death, few moments as a all-knowing soul and then back to Earth again
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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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I often wonder if we are programmed. Like the differences between RAM (Random Access Memory), and disk space. Disk Space memory can be transferred/saved as for RAM cannot do neither. So if this is along the same lines on the way life works this can be an interesting concept to grasp. This thread is interesting and will puzzle the minds who actually investigate more into it. Will we recollect events that may have occurred in our past lives or will we go into a full system reboot and operating system partition. S & F.
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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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Sorry, but your description on what others believe is a tad bit inaccurate. You state "There was nothing or "darkness" and then there was light when you first opened your eyes." Now, I'm not sure if you were saying "darkness" in a metaphorical term, but the people who state that "there was nothing before life and nothing after life" don't apply "darkness to the instance. Darkness isn't "nothing", darkness is "something". It was simply a matter of not existing what so ever. No consciousness, no preexisting but dormant consciousness waiting to go into another vessel.

Nevertheless, I'm in a strange position with this concept. At one end of the spectrum, there are certain aspects of death in which I personally believe "something" exists (Ghosts for example), but on the other hand there doesn't seem to be enough conclusive evidence to absolutely define what occurs (For instance, not everyone seems to become whatever it is a "ghost" is).

There's these tidbits of cases that point to an alternative other than "nothing to something and something to nothing". The issue with these cases is that none of them are ever conclusive. None of them are ever testable.

So I'm in a state of agnosticism on the subject it would seem.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: KonquestAbySS

I think we can learn a lot about ourselves from technology IMO. If our brains are quantum computers then there can be parallels drawn between our brains and actual computers.

Are we the computer or the information on the computer, or maybe we are both? The information on the computer can be transferred even after the computer dies. I don't think it's much different with us and our "information".



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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Image falling asleep and never waking up.. now imagine what it would be like to wake up after never going to sleep. the moment you were born.
think about it you can't have an experience of nothing..



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: Ghost147

I meant it metaphorically not literally. Light being consciousness, "darkness" being non-being or unconsciousness.

I like the analogy of us being RAM that is "used" by the greater whole, it can be tapped into from time to time but is never permanent, though that RAM is always available.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:08 PM
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It is quite obvious that technology and everything else that exist til this day was an idea. Where? What? When? How? remains questionable. It does seem logical because everything that moves or thinks comes from something that also moves and thinks. Basic mechanics you need particular components to function properly. However; nothing is something it may be that abstract.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: KonquestAbySS

Are you suggesting that everything in existence was designed? If so...



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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An interesting approach. How can nothing become something if one presumes that we are more than the meat body? It obviously cannot. But of course, the materialist will say that one is only the meat body and we were created from scratch at birth.

I resort to the argument that we are self-aware consciousness - and that awareness never changes at all, even throughout our entire life on earth. It does not age and one may know this is true through the following exercise.

Just remember back to a distant event that was really powerful for you - that you remember very vividly. Now feel into that whole recollection as much as possible. You can see that your body-mind has changed some (or even a lot) since that time, but one's awareness or fundamental being feels exactly the same in your recollection as it does right now.

Awareness was present then but feels exactly the same then as it does now - i.e., it has not aged; but the body-mind clearly has. At least, this is obvious to me to be true. So why would it ever change, regardless of the cycle we are experiencing (prior to birth, birthing, living, dying, after death, repeat) - if it is not changing in this life in the slightest?

It is self-evident to me that awareness or consciousness is fundamental self-aware being itself and never ages.



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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:19 PM
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I'm curious; do you apply the same concept to all life? or just life which has consciousness?



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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Are you suggesting that everything in existence was designed?


I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying that if sometime in life we were handed a blank blueprint of "nothing" would we be able to make it into something? Obviously everything that does exist mechanically was designed by humans which is tangible, but where is the foundation of it all?


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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: Ghost147
I'm curious; do you apply the same concept to all life? or just life which has consciousness?


When I use the word awareness, I am not just talking about the conscious mind of the waking or dreaming states. Everything is a modification of self-aware Consciousness (Awareness, Light-Energy, Being) - so every form simply changes constantly in and as that one Consciousness itself.

In other words, Consciousness is the non-separate "medium" for all conditions.

We seem individually self-aware because Consciousness has identified via the root of attention with our body-mind, but nothing exists outside of Conscious Light-Energy.
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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:53 PM
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Till it happens to you' you won't believe and to those of us that have been there and came back we waste our time telling because people really don't believe you. So all I can say is you are in for a surprise ( a good one)



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: pavmas
a reply to: Ghost147

Till it happens to you' you won't believe and to those of us that have been there and came back we waste our time telling because people really don't believe you. So all I can say is you are in for a surprise ( a good one)


I really hope so, as much as some people want to make hope into an ugly word or disparage it. I've had enough bad surprises and experiences to last several lifetimes at least, anyway.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:59 PM
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I understand what you are saying. I have always wondered why people assume there is nothing before and after death. It is more logical to me that since THIS is something there is also something before and after this brief moment we call our human life.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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Its all a powerful miracle beyond comprehension. Human life passing through the womb of a woman.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 10:44 PM
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I believe strongly that we are all possessed of a higher self. An eternal, intelligent awarness. Call it the soul, the spirit, whatever. Some proponents of reincarnation claim that our higher selves actually set up circumstances for reincarnating. When your physical body expires, your higher self goes into a transitional state for a given time period, and then goes on to the next incarnation. (Some Eastern belief systems refer to this as Bardo)


Apparently, many people believe that upon the death of the physical body, one's consciousness and awareness just stops, literally like a machine. How someone can believe in pure materialism is very strange to me. Oh well...to each his own.

I can really relate to Carl Jung. He was a man of science, extremely logical and practical, but he believed humans had a spiritual purpose beyond the material. After decades of exploring not only psychology, but also philosophy, religion, anthropology and sociology, he concluded that the world couldn't be fully understood with just the intellect.



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