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Have you had enough of politicians and Banksters and Wars? Well, become a citizen of LIBERLAND.

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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:47 AM
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Libertarians rejoice - Shangri La is being created as we speak/read.

The objective of the founders of the new state is to build a country where honest people can prosper without being oppressed by governments making their lives unpleasant through the burden of unnecessary restrictions and taxes.

So far, this is as real as it gets..........plenty of links outlining this mans attempt at "zeroing the meter" as I like to put it and starting afresh.

His motivation? Obvious to ATS membership but for the sake of the wider community - he has had an absolute gut-full of politicians, banksters and wars so, he's found a loophole and is running with it and has created his own country...


31-year-old Vit Jedlicka has formed his own European nation on a three-square-mile territory located between Serbia and Croatia. The piece of land technically doesn't belong to either country, so he decided to use the space to fulfill his own political ambitions.

Vit, who is an active member of the conservative Party of Free Citizens in the Czech Republic, has long since wanted to live in a country that doesn't have an army, and where taxes are optional. When he realised that his ambitions may never be fulfilled in his own country, he decided to found a new one instead.

He revealed that while his initial intention was just to protest against his own country’s policies, he later realised that he and those who share his libertarian views would probably never succeed in changing things in the Czech Republic. So he founded ‘The Free Republic of Liberland’, a nation that functions with a single motto: ‘Live and let live’. The new nation has a new flag, new national anthem, and a provisional government, which is currently collecting donations to assist in drafting the constitution. They accept bitcoin, too!


It is still not clear whether Liberland is officially recognised as a real nation, or how it might even become one. With no army to defend its boundaries, there’s always the threat of either Croatia or Serbia threatening them with force. In such a scenario, Vit says that Liberland will only resort to ‘passive defense’. “We will move, but we will keep our claim to the country,” he explained.

Despite his position in Liberland, Vit plans to continue his work with the Party of Free Citizens. He says he might consider resigning as the president of the new country, if there is a real chance of making a difference in his own nation’s government. “I’m still going to be active in Czech politics,” he said. “I would probably resign and let somebody else run Liberland for me if there was a chance to do political change in the Czech Republic

A model for a new country, a new way of living, a pie-in-the-sky romantic notion or could this be something that ignites a spark for change.

Anyway.........back to Baltimore, Political Dynasties for 2016 and reality spose.

Just a thought.
www.theguardian.com...
www.businessinsider.com.au...
www.odditycentral.com...-45269
en.wikipedia.org...
sputniknews.com...




posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:59 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft


The objective of the founders of the new state is to build a country where honest people can prosper without being oppressed by governments making their lives unpleasant through the burden of unnecessary restrictions and taxes.


Sounds like what America used to be.

2nd line.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:21 AM
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Fingers crossed this works out the way they are hoping.

It'll prove to the world that we don't have to operate with banksters and the military industrial complex dictating our every move, dictating the economy, dictating social construct, dictating tax revenue allocations, so on and so forth.




posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: stosh64

This is a joke. 20 years ago on that land was a genocide. Many people die in war. There is still huge hate between Serbs and Croats and this guy opens a new country.

I'm not far from this new micro country, maybe I pay visit. But I know nearest town Vukovar. Vukovar is not the best place to live in Croatia. Still many buildings are in ruins and life there is not best since government of Croatia steals money year after year.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft
Great find and post. This is highly interesting and I'm going to have to take a closer look. With so many applications already, I wonder what the odds are of getting in ... shall be crowded city for sure.

I think this man has a great idea, and there are a few places like this around the globe, but most unclaimed land is not very habitable.

The only thing I think that would keep me from applying or going is the realization that if and when war breaks out, that place is occupied instantly, I'm not sure other countries would give it the neutral respect that Switzerland has.

I hope he is successful and other countries give recognition ... as you said:

A model for a new country, a new way of living, a pie-in-the-sky romantic notion or could this be something that ignites a spark for change.


edit on 4/28/2015 by AllSourceIntel because: spelling



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:28 AM
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I read about Leiberland.

I predict that within 10 years it will be the wealthiest and most productive nation on the earth.

Even though that WILL happen because of the libertarian rule.
The neo-liberals (i.e. totalitarians) will excoriate it and won't learn the value of real freedom.

I hope it teaches the world the value of heavy deregulation
and allowing real freedom for the citizens.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:37 AM
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Hippy nonsense. What about health care, how is it going to be funded? How are they expecting to deal with crime? They can't.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: saadad

Sometimes, in the darkest hours of our history, a light is born.

Germany & Japan - even just 30 years after WWII (mid 70's they really started to become major economic players).........and now both are technological giants and absolutely wonderful citizenry.

Vietnam - tourism is huge and again the people have forgiven others wrongdoings (no - not forgotten) and are so kind and generous.

Serbia and Croatia, imo, will be no different. Yes the iron is still hot, but it will simmer with time and who knows - this could be their moment.

I very much appreciate your weighing-in here
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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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This will fail like all the previous libertarians utopia. Some were downright scams, many were simply lead by people who have no idea what they are doing besides shouting "f**k the system!".

Libertarians are usually selfish anarchists and this leads to some great conflicts of egos. Also these things are usually thinly veiled attempts at creating fiscal paradises for a rich entrepreneur.


www.vice.com...


Republic of Minerva
The longest-lived and most successful was the "Republic of Minerva," an artificial island in the South Pacific constructed by using dredged sand to expand the tiny Minerva Reef. The intention was to establish an agrarian anarcho-capitalist utopia; presumably the libertarian supermen would evolve past the need to drink, as there was no source of fresh water on the island. Minerva formally declared independence in 1972 and attempted to establish diplomatic relations with the surrounding nations, though it was mostly ignored. The small settlement lasted for approximately five months, until the government of Tonga sent a military expedition to claim the island (or rather, re-claim it; the original reef had been considered Tongan territory). The project collapsed, the founder made off with huge amounts of money, and the island has since been mostly reclaimed by the sea.



Rose Island
Rose Island (officially the "Respubliko de la Insulo de la Rozoj") was a 400-square-meter artificial platform in the Mediterranean founded by an Italian casino entrepreneur in 1968. It styled itself as a libertarian capitalist state with Esperanto as its official language, but was in fact little more than a tourist resort complex, and had virtually no space for permanent residents. The Italian government, seeing the project as nothing more than a ploy to avoid having to pay taxes on revenue from the resort, seized the platform with police a few weeks after it opened and destroyed it with explosives




Operation Atlantis
Operation Atlantis was an American attempt to create an anarcho-capitalist utopia (noticing a trend here?) in the Bahamas by building a large ferro-concrete boat, sailing it to its destination, anchoring it there and living on it. The boat was built, launched from New York in 1971, and taken to its final position in the Caribbean, where it was secured in place. Preparations were made for the residents to immigrate to their new floating city-state, but unfortunately for them it sank almost immediately. The project subsequently collapsed.



Godspeed Liberland, the odds are against you though.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Well at least he picked a part of the world that is historically peaceful and tolerant.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: biggilo
Hippy nonsense. What about health care, how is it going to be funded? How are they expecting to deal with crime? They can't.


In a libertarian utopia everyone is free to be beaten to a pulp or left dying from a flu without the intervention of pesky government cronies.

You could also cry for help but everyone is allowed to tell you "Dude; it's not my f***ing problem, just leave me alone, OK?"

And there are still people who do not understand Atlas Shrugged is a fiction written by a sociopathic person.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:00 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
I hope it teaches the world the value of heavy deregulation


Thank you the examples of deregulation from the last 50 years have been enlightening in proving how inefficient they are but for a few obscenely rich individuals.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: stosh64

This is a joke. 20 years ago on that land was a genocide. Many people die in war. There is still huge hate between Serbs and Croats and this guy opens a new country.

I'm not far from this new micro country, maybe I pay visit. But I know nearest town Vukovar. Vukovar is not the best place to live in Croatia. Still many buildings are in ruins and life there is not best since government of Croatia steals money year after year.


Completely agree with all these statements but i wouldn't worry too much, i would say his biggest threat will be the annual flood waters!



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: JUhrman

Hordur Torfason


Anyway.........back to Baltimore, Political Dynasties for 2016 and reality spose.

Just a thought.





posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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List of Micronations all over the world

Calm down, its just another micronation. Yet, they all do miss the critical points of an acknowledged country:

- sovereign power
- sovereign territory
- sovereign right.

As long as any one of these points is not given, no area can be a real nation.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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en.wikipedia.org...

This town have around 3000 citizens and all are employed. They are from Spain. So things like this are possible. But i think this Liberland is on wrong place. I m happy it is so close to my place and maybe if they expand we can throw out pour politicians and join the Liberland.

But i think that will never happen, because people over here are brainwashed x10 than people over there in USA. We have 24/7 brainwashing system on television and 99.9% people have TV turned on for whole day. Politicians can steal, pretend, cheat, drink, misbehave, even kill without any consequence. And brainwashed people will vote for same evil people over and over again.

So only way this could work if there is a true leader who can snap those people and sadly must say, mind control them to follow him. Because this people will only follow those that control them. And in Liberland president i see a lack of leadership since he already say he will go back to Chez republic if they give him political power. So all i see this guy is seeking political power. What will he do when he gets one only god knows. But if he wants EX-Yugoslavian people to join his country, he will unfortunately need to brainwash their brains and make them follow him. Because people over here in majority don't use heads.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 09:01 AM
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Interesting perspective from someone in that area. If Liberland were to gain international recognition, or even recognition from a few significant countries, I think it would largely be left alone if anything came between Croatia and Serbia.

As you said though, given their history, who knows, look at Kosovo and how long it took for them to be recognized, hence why I think it would be occupied immediately in a dispute if it is not recognized.

I have only been to Split (beautiful), so I don't know too much about the people personally, only history, and that should be enough to sit, wait, be hopeful in the face of challenging odds as JUHrman points out.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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Yah, Croatia and Serbia know what wars are about. Its what all the 'politics' lead up to.

My advice to those not wanting war is to stop the politicians, banksters and warmongers before it goes there.

Afterwards, its too late.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 09:41 AM
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My advice to those not wanting war is to stop the politicians, banksters and warmongers before it goes there.


Indeed, I think that's what this bloke is symbolically trying to achieve - start again and leave those bastards at the gate, do not enter, do not collect $200 sorta thing.

Those most open to the idea, are those most ravaged / affected by wars. Within the confines of his (Vit Jedlicka) comments he acknowledges the (lack of) sovereignty etc.

I think he is more looking at the "a bullet cannot kill an idea" scenario................however it appears that many people are taking his offer // idea quite seriously - I really like what saadad has said in this thread. Sorta gives me hope for the region - he nicely articulated the limitations and possibilities contained therein.

Cheer Intrptr - always enjoy your contributions too.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Sublimecraft

The objective of the founders of the new state is to build a country where honest people can prosper without being oppressed by governments making their lives unpleasant through the burden of unnecessary restrictions and taxes.

Sounds like what America used to be.


Yes and look where it is now.

I don't believe in free markets, they inevitably become monopolies. No taxes means no free education, no roads, no police, no firemen, no public hospitals.

Most of the "unnecessary restrictions" we're put there by the wealthy so the poor can't get just as wealthy by staying HONEST. People aren't really oppressed by governments, they are oppressed by the rich people behind those governments.

I don't believe Libertarian ideas will get us into space and bring evolution to humanity.
I only see people making steps in the wrong direction.



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