Putin Accuses US Of Backing North Caucasus Militants

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Kapusta

How is it a fact? Because Putin said something, RT reported it, and some other guy says he was a deep cover agent for the FBI over there?

Breaking news: Shamrock was a deep cover CIA patsy in Ukraine this whole time.

Fact. Because I said so.

You see that guy ? That's Auki Collins with the Chechen Mujahaddeen , Hes also been seen in Videos with Chechen Fighters .
I am sure he was more than just "some other guy" He's got a book out where he talks all about being "some other guy " as you put it . He lives in Arizona and is the only guy who has been to Jihad in another country and has not been Charged ?

don't you think that's kind of strange ? you think If i went to Jihad in Chechnya and came back I would be free to wonder about the US like nothing happened ?

So it is FACT that he was over in Chechnya fighting with the Resistance , And it is FACT that Putin made the statement.

and it is FACT that the US has a history of getting involved and supporting rebel Factions.

With my many years of research in this area I am willing to submit to you that "I" believe it to be a FACT that the US was or still is Involved with Chechen Resistance .

if you have something else to add them by all means ......

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Kapusta

I think Russia is more then capable of a two front proxy war

Yeah the Russia that lost the first Chechen war to a group of rebels using gorilla tactics?

or the Russia that lost the Afgan war to a group of rebels Using Gorilla Tactics ?

ones that were supplied by the US.

are you sure Russia capable of handling a two front war ?

a reply to: Kapusta

Turn off the caps lock and calm down.

I don't dispute he was there. Or that he's real. And you've entirely missed my point and yet somehow managed to respond angrily and spitefully.

Putin says he intercepted comms. RT reports what he said. This guy says he was there, and that he was a deep cover "whatever." So what?

You're connecting two random facts that have zero amplification to them and saying they prove each other to be true. All they "prove" is that Putin said something and that this guy was in Chechnya. The rest is a product of your "research" and your own determination of "fact."

You keep bringing up your research. Great. Glad you did research. Good on you. Doesn't change that your comments are "fact" in your opinion. And that's all it is. An opinion. Well informed perhaps, but still an opinion.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Kapusta

Turn off the caps lock and calm down.

I don't dispute he was there. Or that he's real. And you've entirely missed my point and yet somehow managed to respond angrily and spitefully.

Putin says he intercepted comms. RT reports what he said. This guy says he was there, and that he was a deep cover "whatever." So what?

You're connecting two random facts that have zero amplification to them and saying they prove each other to be true. All they "prove" is that Putin said something and that this guy was in Chechnya. The rest is a product of your "research" and your own determination of "fact."

You keep bringing up your research. Great. Glad you did research. Good on you. Doesn't change that your comments are "fact" in your opinion. And that's all it is. An opinion. Well informed perhaps, but still an opinion.

You left out that the US has a History of being involved and arming Rebel Factions ....FACT right ?

Former FBI agent Colleen Rowley – a 2002 Time Person of the Year – points out that the neocons also backed Chechen terrorists as a way to challenge Russia:

Chechen “terrorists” proved useful to the U.S. in keeping pressure on the Russians, much as the Afghan mujahedeen were used in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. In fact, many neocons signed up as Chechnya’s “friends,” including former CIA Director James Woolsey.

you can also read more about it here in this ATS thread from 2013 US Involved In Creation Of Chechen Terrorists

If you need anymore information let me know

Funny how Putin starts having trouble with Chechnya and then all of a sudden Russia decides to release this info that the US was fomenting rebellion in the Caucasus. Almost like Putin is trying to distract from the fact that he's losing his grip on certain parts of the country while rallying the people against a common enemy at the same time.

Even if true, why is Russia allowed to support opposition groups throughout Europe but the US isn't allowed to do the same in Russia's borders.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Funny how Putin starts having trouble with Chechnya and then all of a sudden Russia decides to release this info that the US was fomenting rebellion in the Caucasus. Almost like Putin is trying to distract from the fact that he's losing his grip on certain parts of the country while rallying the people against a common enemy at the same time.

Even if true, why is Russia allowed to support opposition groups throughout Europe but the US isn't allowed to do the same in Russia's borders.

Who said anything about Being allowed to ?

Also its been Suspect for some time now that the US has been involved with Chechnya ,But their involvement started way before the Russia/Ukraine issue .

The US will do what it wants to do , Just as Russia will do what it wants to do.

But The history of the US supporting Terrorism is staggering, Their actions have cause "terrorism" to expand and flourish!
This is the problem .

a reply to: Kapusta

Yea and we see an AK-47 in the hands of just about every single nation on earth. The gun of the rebel is a AK-47

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Kapusta

Yea and we see an AK-47 in the hands of just about every single nation on earth. The gun of the rebel is a AK-47

Yeah what's your point the AK-47 does not just come from Russia ??

Certainly more have been produced elsewhere; but the above list represents known producers and is limited to only military variants. An updated AK-47 design – the AK-103 – is still produced in Russia.

Country Variant(s)
Albania Automatiku Shqiptar model 56 (ASH-78 Tip-1) Albanian Automatic Assault Rifle Model 56 Type-1 [Made in Poliçan Arsenal] (Straight forward copy of Type 56, which in turn is a clone of the Soviet AKM rifle)
Automatiku Shqiptar Tipi 1982 (ASH-82) Albanian Automatic Assault Rifle Type 1982 [Made in Poliçan Arsenal] (Straight forward copy of AKMS)

Automatiku Shqiptar model 56 (ASH-78 Tip-2) Albanian Light Machine Gun [Made in Poliçan Arsenal] (Straight forward copy of RPK)

Automatiku Shqiptar model 56 (ASH-78 Tip-3) Albanian Automatic Hybrid Rifle Model 56 Type-3 [Made in Poliçan Arsenal] (Hybrid rifle for multi-purpose roles mainly Marksman rifle with secondary assault rifle and grenade launcher capability)

Other unknown variants.
Several other unnamed & unidentified versions of the AKMS have been produce mainly with short barrels similar to the Soviet AKS-74U mainly for special forces, Tank & Armoured crew also for Helicopter pilots and police.
There have also been modifications and fresh production of heavily modified ASh-82 (AKMS) with SOPMOD accessories, mainly for Albania's special forces RENEA & exports.

Armenia K-3 (bullpup, 5.45×39mm)
Azerbaijan Khazri (AK-74M)[92]
Bangladesh Chinese Type 56
Bulgaria AKK/AKKS (Type 3 AK-47/w. side-folding buttstock)
AKKMS (AKMS), AKKN-47 (fittings for NPSU night sights)

AK-47M1 (Type 3 with black polymer furniture)

AK-47MA1/AR-M1 (same as -M1, but in 5.56 mm NATO)

AKS-47M1 (AKMS in 5.56×45mm NATO)

AKS-47S (AK-47M1, short version, with East German folding stock, laser aiming device)

AKS-47UF (short version of -M1, Russian folding stock), AR-SF (same as −47UF, but 5.56 mm NATO)

AKS-93SM6 (similar to −47M1, cannot use grenade launcher)

RKKS (RPK), AKT-47 (.22 rimfire training rifle)

Cambodia Chinese Type 56, Soviet AK-47, and AKM
People's Republic of China Type 56
Colombia Galil ACE
Croatia APS-95
Cuba AKM[93]
East Germany[94] MPi-K/MPi-KS (AK-47/AKS)
MPi-KM (AKM; wooden and plastic stock), MPi-KMS-72 (side-folding stock), MPi-KMS-K (carbine)

MPi-AK-74N (AK-74), MPi-AKS-74N (side-folding stock), MPi-AKS-74NK (carbine)

KK-MPi Mod.69 (.22 LR select-fire trainer)

Egypt AK-47, Misr assault rifle (AKMS), Maadi ARM (AKM)
Ethiopia AK-47, AK-103 (manufactured locally at the State-run Gafat Armament Engineering Complex as the Et-97/1)[95]
Finland Rk 62, Valmet M76 (other names Rk 62 76, M62/76), Valmet M78 (light machine gun), Rk 95 Tp
Hungary[96] AK-55 (domestic manufacture of the 2nd Model AK-47)
AKM-63 (also known as AMD-63 in the US; modernized AK-55), AMD-65M (modernized AKM-63, shorter barrel and side-folding stock), AMP-69 (rifle grenade launcher)

AK-63F/D (other name AMM/AMMSz), AK-63MF (modernized)

NGM-81 (5.56×45mm NATO; fixed and under-folding stock)

India INSAS (fixed and side-folding stock), KALANTAK (carbine), INSAS light machine gun (fixed and side-folding stock), a local unlicensed version with carbon fibre furniture designated as AK-7 [97]
Trichy Assault Rifle 7.62 mm, manufactured by Ordnance Factory Tiruchirappalli of Ordnance Factories Board[98]

Iran KLS/KLF (AK-47/AKS), KLT (AKMS)
Iraq Tabuk Sniper Rifle, Tabuk Assault Rifle (with fixed or underfolding stock, outright clones of Yugoslavian M70 rifles series), Tabuk Short Assault Rifle (carbine)
Israel IMI Galil: AR (assault/battle rifle), ARM (assault rifle/light machine gun), SAR (carbine), MAR (compact carbine), Sniper (sniper rifle), SR-99 (sniper rifle)
Galil ACE

Italy Bernardelli VB-STD/VB-SR (Galil AR/SAR)[99]
Nigeria Produced by the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria as OBJ-006[100][101]
North Korea Type 58A/B (Type 3 AK-47/w. stamped steel folding stock), Type 68A/B (AKM/AKMS), Type 88 (AKS-74)[102][103]
Pakistan Reverse engineered by hand and machine in Pakistan's highland areas (see Khyber Pass Copy) near the border of Afghanistan; more recently the Pakistan Ordnance Factories started the manufacture of an AK-47/AKM clone called PK-10[104]
Poland[105] pmK (kbk AK) / pmKS (kbk AKS) (name has changed from pmK – "pistolet maszynowy Kałasznikowa", Kalashnikov SMG to the kbk AK – "karabinek AK", Kalashnikov Carbine in mid-1960s) (AK-47/AKS)
kbkg wz. 1960 (rifle grenade launcher), kbkg wz. 1960/72 (modernized)

kbk AKM / kbk AKMS (AKM/AKMS)

kbk wz. 1988 Tantal (5.45×39mm), skbk wz. 1989 Onyks (compact carbine)

kbs wz. 1996 Beryl (5.56×45mm), kbk wz. 1996 Mini-Beryl (compact carbine)

Romania PM md. 63/65 (AKM/AKMS), PM md. 80, PM md. 90, collectively exported under the umbrella name AIM or AIMS
PA md. 86 (AK-74), exported as the AIMS-74

PM md. 90 short barrel, PA md. 86 short barrel, exported as the AIMR

PSL (designated marksman rifle; other names PSL-54C, Romak III, FPK and SSG-97)

South Africa R4 assault rifle, Truvelo Raptor, Vektor CR-21 (bullpup)
Sudan MAZ[106] (based on the Type 56)
Ukraine Vepr (bullpup, 5.45×39mm), Malyuk (bullpup)[107]
United States Century Arms Model 39 (7.62x39mm), InterOrdnance AKM247, M214
Vietnam AKM-1 (AKM), TUL-1 (RPK), Galil Ace 31/32
Venezuela License granted, factory under construction[108]
Yugoslavia/Serbia M-64, M-70, M-72, M-76, M-77, M-80, M-82, M-85, M-90, M-91, M-92, M-99, M-21

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Of course the US is involved somehow. Russia and it's activities are major players in the world. The US isn't just going to be a bystander while anything happens with Russia. That's just obvious.