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Current/former "preachers" of any faith: what is/was your training?

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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:23 PM
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Jim Jones was a Marxist, a Communist who had contact with the USSR prior to this. Guyana was a Communist country.

He did say that he was simply infiltrating churches. This is what he said about himself. I do not make this up, at first he was Socialist, but his Socialism turned to Communism and atheism as he fell into drug abuse and madness. No one is saying that he was wrong for being Socialist, a lot of people were and are at that time.

His problem is that his madness led him to Guyana. I do realize that he was charismatic, there's no doubt about that. Why did the people stay? They were led into it by a belief that Jones was going to save them and the world through his Socialism.

That last day, as he was trying to convince the followers to drink the kool aid, he kept telling them it was a "revolutionary act" to commit "revolutionary suicide".


Why do people want any leader? Because they want that leader to fix problems. He was Communist long before he ever went to Guyana.

If you listen to his sermons, he wasn't preaching Christianity. The cursing that comes out of his is not what you hear from Christian preachers.

As much as one would like to say he was merely Socialist, he was full blown Communist. I do know the difference. He told them they were going to create a Communist utopia, in the only country that allowed him to go to. He wasn't investigated for Socialism, but for the abuses against congregants.



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He was a Communist, he might have begun as a Socialist, but fell into madness. Of course he was charismatic, all leaders are. He might have become psychopathic in the end, but he did not seem to be in the beginning. Hindsight is 20/20.


You can't take off with people's children without expecting a violent reaction. And that's not so unfamiliar to us either--even if we were Judeo-Christian--if we weren't Communists. The world (inaudible) suffers violence, and the violent shall take it by force. If we can't live in peace, then let's die in peace. (Applause.)


"Even if we were Judeo/Christian" He had abandoned Christianity long before, he was no longer a believer, he was an atheist.

He may have been a psychopath, but he was a Communist psychopath.




posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs


Grandiose Delusion
GDs are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, wealthy, or otherwise very powerful. The delusions are generally fantastic and typically have a supernatural, science-fictional, or religious theme. There is a relative lack of research into GD,
. . .
Symptoms

According to the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria for delusional disorder, grandiose-type symptoms include grossly exaggerated belief of:
self-worth
power
knowledge
identity
exceptional relationship to a divinity or famous person.

GD does not necessarily assume psychopathy or sociopathy. It is a psychosis. It feels like:

"God has a special mission for me to perform. I, I alone have a certain job to do. I will do my task, even if I must die, the World will be the better for it, perhaps even saved. No one else understands what I do. But do it I shall."

That's what it feels like.

Even if someone behaves in a manner which might seem to be symptomatic of this disorder; consider: a political opportunist may act the very same way. That's why diagnosis is not properly conducted by phone, online, or from television speeches.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:57 PM
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Even if someone behaves in a manner which might seem to be symptomatic of this disorder; consider: a political opportunist may act the very same way. That's why diagnosis is not properly conducted by phone, online, or from television speeches.

You are absolutely correct.
I have a copy of the DSM-IV-TR right here within arm's reach. I contemplate/analyze cases like these thinking of them as "case studies" - like a student would do on an exam.....

I'm qualified to use the DSM, actually. Guy was b-s-crazy.



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