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Originally posted by Muaddib
Like I have said before, Bin Laden and other Islamic clerics have made it clear what they want.... They give us three choices....we convert to Islam, we stop chasing after all terrorist cells and wait for them to attack us, or we fight them.
There is only one way that we will for certain stop the attacks, if the U.S. converts to Islam....you know what? He can kiss my butt, I rather die fighting than being forced to convert to anything.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Or, if you were actually paying attention, for US to stop terrorism against the Muslim people. I don't think he can careless if you convert to Islam or not.
"The Prophet's guidance," says Scheuer, "was always, Before you attack someone, warn them very clearly and offer them a chance to convert to Islam."
It has been said before that bin Laden wish to strike America. Now it seems that he is clearing all of the obstacles for such an attack. He would no doubt want to have the support of Islamic Clerics to launch this attack.
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Actually, Osama never said that we needed to convert to islam...
although that would work...
that is what the governments want us to believe...
Al-Zarqawi came to this arena [Iraq] only to expel the Americans from the Muslims' country and to establish an Islamic government. This is part of the goal, because if this is not done, how will we be able to bring about coups d'etat in neighboring countries? How can we rescue Jerusalem when we have no base from which to set out? Rescuing Jerusalem and the neighboring countries will come only after the rise of an Islamic state from which the youth will set out to liberate the neighboring areas."
Associate of Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi
"Fight in the path of Allah, you are not charged with the responsibility except for yourself, and urge the believers, lest Allah restrain the might of the rejectors, and Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment." and His words: "And what is it with you that you do not fight in the path of Allah, whilst the weak amongst the men, and the women, and the children who say: our Lord take us out of this town the people of which are oppressive, and make for us from You a protecting friend and make for us from You a succourer", and His words: "So if you meet those who reject, then strike the necks..." We have given an oath to Allah to continue in the struggle as long as we have blood pumping in our veins or a seeing eye, and we beg of Allah to accept and to grant a good ending for us and for all the Muslims.
Originally posted by Crakeur
the hardline muslim extremists believe that all infidels should convert or die. So, covnerting to islam won't work unles you convert to their version of it.
I'm tired of his tapes and whatnot. I'm tired of fighting an unwinnable war (war on terror, war on poverty, war on drugs etc. waste of time and money).
I wonder what would happen if we took a completely new stance. This new approach would be called the ignore you and your problems approach. someone blows up a bus in Israel? Sorry, we must have missed that. Israel retaliates by blowing up a dozen mosques and then nukes iran for backing the terrorists? really? that happened? we must have been taking a nap. you want us to stop what? no, I'm sorry. Israel can do what they want. we aren't their enemy nor are we their ally. fight them yourself.
what's that? Iraq's reconstituted army just invaded kuwait? damn. if we had kept out troops in the region, none of this would have happened. sorry kuwait. russia just invaded iraq? bummer guys. we are so out of the loop.
al qaeda just destroyed 4 gov't buildings in saudi arabia? sorry guys, they're your problem.
what? you need us to help clean this mess up? can't. currently on vacation. leave a message with my secretary of I don't give a damn and maybe we will get back to you when hell freezes over and we give a rats ass.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Bin Laden has shown NO need for approval or support from Islamic clerics in the past, in committing MANY acts. There is NO reason to believe this has changed. He is a megalomaniac, convinced he is on a crusade and holy mission. In his mind, he believes he is above such approval, as he believes he is getting his direction from a higher source, as do his followers.
The former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit says the Qaeda leader has secured religious approval to use a nuclear weapon on Americans
Drudge Report Nov 12, 2004[quote/]
Originally posted by Crakeur
phreak, as I see it, if we decided to do everything bin laden and his henchmen wanted (short of mass conversion to islam - this jew ain't giving up bacon for a kook in a long beard) they'd find a new reason to attack us.
I truly believe that if Israel shocked the world and said "take your land. we're moving aside. no more fighting. we quit." the palestinians would move in and want more.
we've done the hard work, it's plug and play" they would rape the land, turn it back into desert and then find a new area to try and claim as their own.
Muslim extremists have been killing for centuries. It's what they do.
the third way, which the author reluctantly admitted was the only real way to deal with them was to wipe them off the face of the earth.
He was stating the sad truth that these people (if you can call them that)
don't want to live side by side with anyone other than themselves and even then, they will fight with eachother.
they are a sad animal that must constantly be fighting and killing, no matter who the recipient of their aggression might be.
Originally posted by TigeriS
What do you know about people like you ? So you're not an animal if you fire 3000 cruise missles on a city with mostly elder peoples, childeren and women ? You're not an animal if you drop a many kilo bomb on a city killing peoples you don't even know, including innocent childeren. Peoples that never did anything to you, peoples who just happened to be there at that time. Peoples like abuse their prisoners, make picture's of them, humiliate them... so who are the animals now ? Or did you think that all "peoples like you" are saints ?
It's all easy for you to talk about, you look only at what they're doing, but look at what your country is doing, and maybe you'll understand them better.
I mean what is the difference between country A sending money to country B to kill peoples to protect country A , And country D sending money to peoples in Country A to protect them self ?
There is no difference, both things are the same, have the same outcome, peoples will die, others will get harmed. In reality, country D may not help those peoples because country A has a large army with many dagerous weapons, so country D will get attacked.
You see ? If you only try to place you in the shoe of another, you may understand it. I mean you wouldn't sit and let a foreign country take over your government and resources, foreign troops killing your friends, mother father, girlfriend etc. Hell you won't let that happen will you ?
So why do you think those peoples should let it happen ? There is no balance in the world because there is no other superpower, that's why these things happen. We were more safe in the cold war, because we would be more careful about our actions. A war would killl way to many peoples, now they think, they're the only one so they can win all wars.
WRONG, ! Technology alone is not enought to win battles.