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Top scientists start to examine fiddled global warming figures

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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:03 PM
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I personally really would like to see real independent investigations of who has fiddled what and if wrong doing or payed for unethical behavior is found, justly punish those and the ones paying for bogus political studies to be dealt with after being hung. To much is really riding on this to be made up B.S.




Last month, we are told, the world enjoyed “its hottest March since records began in 1880”. This year, according to “US government scientists”, already bids to outrank 2014 as “the hottest ever”. The figures from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) were based, like all the other three official surface temperature records on which the world’s scientists and politicians rely, on data compiled from a network of weather stations by NOAA’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN).


But here there is a puzzle. These temperature records are not the only ones with official status. The other two, Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) and the University of Alabama (UAH), are based on a quite different method of measuring temperature data, by satellites. And these, as they have increasingly done in recent years, give a strikingly different picture. Neither shows last month as anything like the hottest March on record, any more than they showed 2014 as “the hottest year ever”.

www.telegraph.co.uk...




posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

It is mainly a natural cycle, before the last ice age global temperature's rose a few degree's hotter than today, african rhino's, lion's and other fauna roamed as far north as England which was then part of the continent with the english channel not having formed, then possibly because of the atlantic conveyor slowing or even stopping it all froze over and ice sheet's many miles thick crushed that land beneath them, this exposed land that is now beneath the water at the periphery of the continent's, then about 12000 years ago the ice age ended cataclysmically leading to an up and down warming cycle, we went cold but not ice age cold in the mini ice age.

Either way, man made or natural it is a cycle that has happened many time's and as far as we know the ice age can start suddenly, no warming in winter from the mid atlantic current can lead to heavyer snow and reglaciation of the mountains, this in turn lead's to cooler summer's and so on, but the cycle of ice age's has pushed the continental plate down lowering it's altitude and worn down those mountain's so the cycle eventually has to change.

I actually do believe that man has played a part but I also believe as shown in Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory that there are some pretty powerful scum bags making money out of the climate change fiasco and the carbon point's con.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:16 PM
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I actually do believe that man has played a part but I also believe as shown in Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory that there are some pretty powerful scum bags making money out of the climate change fiasco and the carbon point's con.

So what?
People have always taken advantage of the situation, good and bad. Does that mean it should be ignored? Does that mean that nothing should be done to mitigate the effects? "Oh, people can make money from this. Let's not do anything because people can make money from this."

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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky



To much is really riding on this to be made up B.S.

Yes.
It is not made up B.S.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

This already happened before. It was called the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project. It featured several prominent skeptics at the time and was even funded by the Koch brothers.

All the skeptics were gushing over it at first, until the actual study determined the Earth was indeed rapidly warming, and the other records weren't "fiddled" at all.

Here's a summary of their results:

Summary of Findings

Here's an ATS thread about the subsequent fallout:

Climate deniers act like actual skeptics, do own research, get "surprising" results.


Seems the skeptics weren't so "ready to accept the results no matter what" after all. So now the secretly funded and notoriously political Global Warming Policy Foundation is going to get the real scientific results....right.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I understand your point perfectly so do the poor souls who live in the marshall islands and a thousand other low lying country's so something does have to be done, indeed there are many benefits to making more efficiant technology and hyrdorocarbon fuel's cause cancer, my 82 year old mother talks about how she would only go down the street in liverpool and when she got back her face and neck would be black from coal soot, all the house fires etc.

I do actually think something need's to be done but scare mongering and profiteering by politically connected con artists is simply distasteful to me, utterly so in fact.

And I think the ongoing chinese destruction of coral reef's in neutral water's which they are claiming as there own is an equally big scandal, maybe even bigger as without the reef's the fishing industry in that part of the world which supports millions of people will become barren, this will lead to starvation and like the cultural revolution the chinese will claim it is progress.


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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767
I find financially driven denial equally distasteful. Followed closely by that which is driven by ignorance.

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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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Interesting wording Phage, who is ignorant I wonder, have a look again at what I said, ice cores from greenland bear out my statement one hundred percent.
www.sciencedaily.com...
www.geocraft.com...

However human behavious has a definite impact on global temperature, during his expansion westward Genghis Khan killed so many people it actually caused localised cooling.
www.mnn.com...
www.dailymail.co.uk...
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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767
I didn't say you were ignorant. You at least, apparently, acknowledge that the world is warming. The OP does not seem to.



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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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Screw "climate change"

WE are poisoning are planet and that will kill us all first. Climate change is a fine thing to combat but we are fighting fake numbers and corrupt politicians and are we solving anything? Absolutely not.

Slow down pollution.........clean the planet and THEN worry about climate change if its as bad as they say it will be.......if its not, you just wasted all your time fighting for nothing while real problems just slapped us in our chins.

I think climate change is overstated at this point myself but its simply because the numbers and facts you keep hearing about are always being undone as false. Its obvious we need to try to take care of what we can on this planet but how the hell can we do this with red tape and lying scientists and politicians in the way?



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Phage

No doubt there was a warming period before 1998 but its not the only warming period we have had in recent history! There are reports of extremely hot summers in Europe decades before the last Maunder Minimum which wasn't caused by any CO2 spike.




Jasper Kirkby (CERN) ...

The current understanding of climate change in the industrial age is that it is predominantly caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases, with relatively small natural contributions due to solar irradiance and volcanoes. However, palaeoclimatic reconstructions show that the climate has frequently varied on 100-year time scales during the Holocene (last 10 kyr) by amounts comparable to the present warming - and yet the mechanism or mechanisms are not understood

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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:47 PM
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100% agree.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:48 PM
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We need to be taking better care of this planet or we will destroy it's ability to provide for us. It is not just global warming I am talking about. We are damaging the ecosystem everywhere we have industrialized countries. Look how we have messed up paradise. Soon we will be working all the time just to buy food from big food companies. We already have a lot of people paying a buck and a half for a gallon of water. We will all be in poverty except the ones controlling the food supply..

Can't people see the health of the people in these industrialized countries is declining and it is having an effect on our food chain?
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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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Sorry I hopped on my high horse, must have been all those mongol's, anyway DavidWright hit's the nail squarly on the head and is absolutely correct.
Plastic's in the ocean's, pcb making western males sterile and also mimmicking female hormone's polluting the water tables as well as artificial compound's from cosmetic's.
Radioactive waste buried so that it will haunt our children.
Suppressed better technology's hidden and shelved by the petrochemical and automotive conglomerates.
The list goes on, were there is a profit to be made human life is suddenly very cheap indeed.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 09:57 PM
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There are reports of extremely hot summers in Europe decades before the last Maunder Minimum which wasn't caused by any CO2 spike.

So what?
Does that mean that we are not changing the global climate? Why?



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 10:01 PM
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I'm at a point now where Climate Change talk just pisses me off..........its all people pointing fingers at each other and isnt productive......If the planet is such a threat to flood the coastlines then why arent we fortifying them now? Why arent we pushing clean vehicles by force.....clean industry by force?

When the United States needs to get something done......WE DO IT........at least we used to. I want people to stop telling me 100 years from now that the sea level will rise by a few feet and other things MAY happen to the planet.

WE know a lot that IS happening to the planet and it keeps going unchecked while people bicker.......take California.......running out of water and yet only just recently decided they should take a serious look at it.

America is such a reactive country and the government is so bloated that by the time we do react......its much harder to fix the problem at hand.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: DavidWright
Human nature. Don't do anything, especially if it costs me something, unless you absolutely have to.

That worked pretty well for things like cave bears. A change in the entire world, not so much.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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Phage there are to many articles pointing out the numbers used were adjusted to a more favorable time line to show an increase instead of a decrease in temp. Many have been posted on this very sight. Computer Models that got the ball rolling with fear mongering (polar bears, Ice sheets, Cities flooded by now etc etc) and the great carbon Tax Gore and his well presented power point talks which have very little actual factual info.... as far as the models they have been proved to be totally off the mark from day one.... Even after the numbers are supposedly favorably adjusted the models cannot be reconciled by simple observation of real data collected... .......

A certain part of me does consider this to be no more than a mechanism to provide a socialist agenda to redistribute wealth from so called 1st world countries to third world countries where most cooking is still done over Charcoal fires; all the while the middle men stand to make a fortune.

I am not anti anything except for bogus bought and paid for studies. If you are anti 'man made climate change' it is very hard to get funded from what I have read..... and those who do secure funding it is usually pointed out their funding came from some oil company. Unbiased truthful no fiddling with the numbers to make a predetermined or agenda driven/wanted outcome should be something that we can agree upon. Unfortunately IMO that is not what we have with this particular subject...

There are those who believe it is all part of a plan that was first cauterized in 1979 by members of the trilateral group because of the program of 'Technocracy' and the guidelines that it provides and appears are really being followed.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 10:14 PM
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Phage there are to many articles pointing out the numbers used were adjusted to a more favorable time line to show an increase instead of a decrease in temp.

Guess what? In some locations those adjustments show decreasing temperatures where the raw data shows increases. The point is, unless you understand what the adjustments are and why they are made, it makes no sense to claim fraud. Tell me, do you deny that globally, temperatures are rising? Do you know that, globally, there are far more all time high record temperature records being set than low temperature records? That's without any adjustments at all.


There are those who believe it is all part of a plan that was first cauterized in 1979 by members of the trilateral group because of the program of 'Technocracy' and the guidelines that it provides and appears are really being followed.
There are those who believe that reptilians are in control of everything.



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LABTECH767
I didn't say you were ignorant. You at least, apparently, acknowledge that the world is warming. The OP does not seem to.


The Op posted an article about fiddled numbers which over the years has been widely reported. It is so bad now that anyone who denies climate change (changes all the time with warming and cooling treads if anyone looks at the history but seems to want to be ignored this time around) is considered right along with some terrorist outfit; probably a thread on ATS about that too..

Phage you do not know what I think... And in truth sometimes I don't know what I think... I just read both sides of an argument and the more I read the more the scales of my reasoning tilt one way or the other. People like to hang the cause and effect of something on a simple answer... Unfortunately that is not the case with earth's climate.




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