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Atum, The Macrocosmic Avatar "space suit" and the first born over creation.

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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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(To mods, this may be better suited to A&LC forum, but I posted in P&M forum due to the hypothetical and philisophical context in which the info is presented.)

There are many renderings of the Egyptian pyramid texts, many point towards a Pharos inauguration and a bestowing of celestial powers and divine right to rule, but the creation of the pyramids as tombs has been disputed.


The only basis we have for preferring one rendering to another, when once grammar and dictionary have been satisfied (and these leave a large margin for divergencies) is an intuitive appreciation of the trend of the ancient writer's mind.


I'm going to go out on a limb here for the sake of this thread and propose they were public buildings for ceremonial purpose such as initiation for when the adepts in the mystery schools of ancient Egypt (perhaps the world?) were ready for kingship and introduced to the vault of the sky.



Perhaps whole Egypt being temple of the world and central to worldwide mystery religion...






“The ‘religion’ of the ancient Egyptian was a ‘magical religion’ or, as it has become more obvious in recent years, an ‘astral religion’. The belief was that the benevolent and nurturing influence of the stars could be drawn down into Egypt through a sacred science involving rituals and talismans (pyramids, statuary, etc.). This explains the building of the Giza pyramids as ‘stars’ to represent the region of the sky containing Orion, the latter deemed to be the stars most benevolent to mankind. It may sound ‘hocus pocus’ to us today, but I strongly suspect that the ancients could thus create ‘sacred cosmic landscapes’ in which high rituals were performed that affected the spiritual aspect of initiated men and women.

“Do you not know, Asclepius, that Egypt is made in the image of heaven? Or, to be more precise, that everything governed and moved in heaven came down to Egypt and was transferred there."




www.ancient-origins.net...

For the adept in the mysteries partaking in this journey, a vast knowledge of the waters of precreation and their personifications are realised/revealed through experiences and interactions.



"O Height that will not be penetrated, Gate of Nun, I, King Unas, have come to You, have this opened to me !
O Nun, let these (gates) be opened for me, for behold I have come, a god-like soul.
Hail to You, You waters which brought, which lifted up, in which bathed his limbs when I was born in Nun before the sky existed, before the Earth existed, before that which was to be made form existed.
Opened is the sky !
Opened is the Earth !
Opened are the apertures of the celestial windows !
Opened are the steps of Nun !


The stellar natural state the adept is put into through the mystery teachings and self realisation is also found in literature as being immortalised and/or being bestowed with godlike powers. The adept is given the keys to the kingdom and passage to the throne...




Now he may sit on the iron throne, take your mace and your sceptre, that You may lead those who are in Nun, give orders to the gods, and set a spirit in its spirit-state. ... may You gather together those who are in Nun, You may assemble those who are in the celestial expanses.



With the throne comes dominion over these aspects, this would be the egyptian elements of creation.
This bestowing of knowledge/power went hand in hand with the introduction to the living vault of the sky, underlining a fundamental barrier or division of the elements of creation from the Nun.(whole)

Here is a picture depicting a similar situation... The pyramid has been replaced with a tree...




"This King comes indeed, importuning the Nine, an imperishable spirit, and those who are in the lower sky belong to this King."

"Cast off your impurity for Atum in together with him. Judge the needs of the lower sky and succeed to the thrones of Nun."




Within the omnipresent, dark, gloomy, lifeless infinite substance of Nun, the possibility of order, light and life subsisted : a nonexistent object capable of self-creation ex nihilo. Hence, although Nun is nowhere and everywhere, never and always, it is the primordial, irreversible and everlasting milieu in which the eternal potential of creation creates itself.

Atum, who "created what exists" and who is the "Lord of all things" "Lord of Everyting" and "Lord of Life" " is "the origin of all the forces and elements of nature" Indeed, Atum completes creation without belonging to the created order.


Atum perhaps be seen as a celestial avatar for a expanded consciousness, a macrocosmic body or deity mans consciousness is able to possess and experience the first occurrence, to be "the first born over all creation".



In the myths, the world was said to have emerged from an infinite, sea when the sun rose for the first time, in a distant period known as zp tpj (sometimes transcribed as Zep Tepi), "the first occasion". To enter the "zep tepi" and its regenerative powers, the deepest, darkest and deadliest point of creation is sought... The very beginning.



Like a hand fitting into a glove the consciousness ingresses into the celestial realms and connects with certain points allowing interaction with original points of creation... The creator gods themselves.

In precreation, Nun and Atum communicate, but without ever changing their nature. The experience of this interaction is consciously received by the adept through the conscious connection to the intermediary, the macrocosmic avatar, Atum. The adept is now all three in one... A tris magistus.


"I am Nun, the sole one, without equal. That is where I (Atum) came into being on the great occasion of my floating when I came into being. I am he who flew up, who came into being [...] who is in his egg. I am the one who began therein, (in) the Nun, and see : the chaos-gods came out of me, see, I am hale. I brought my power into being through my power. I am the one who made myself and I formed myself at my will according to my desire. "





The reason why something came out of Nun is explained as Atum pleasing himself (the egyptian image of masturbation), not parenthood. Paradoxically, creation starts in precreation. Atum creates and completes the world for his own pleasure and according to his own heart (or divine mind)


To understand this, we need to understand another concept.... Atum Impregnating or creating reality with his will from within the womb of creation.




Atum autogenerates for his own pleasure and by doing so immediately & simultaneously gives birth to Shu & Tefnut, the start of a chain of ordered structures. This "first time" is the imaginal continuum of natural parameters preparing to create and sustain reality.

These two great and mighty gods who preside over the Field of Rushes install Him upon the throne as their "first-born". They set on the East side and on the West side, Nun on the South side and Naunet on the North .




To be cont...
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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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Cont...



Those who stood at the door of the horizon, the process of this transfiguration was to be delivered to the state of Atum, fulfilled, made whole and receive divine instructions. The spirit would leave the tomb/body and ascend to the stars where it takes up residence in Atum within nun while being perceived as experience or reality on earth.




Atum and the "first occurrence" are the autogenous potential making every thing whole again and again. In this "Pleroma" ("to make whole again") is hidden the secret of regeneration attributed to the primordial waters, i.e. the emergence upon the face of the waters of the light ex nihilo.

As this emergence is timeless, it never stops. This eternal order surrounded by chaotic nonexistence is the blueprint of every possible thing and the condition of its wholeness.




The experience of being the first born over all creation, (Atum)
invites one to start all over again, to recommence the cycle and accommodate the eternal recurrence of creativity.

So, Atum as a avatar would in effect be a auxiliary socket into the collective conscious understanding of the cosmos itself. This space would have been inaccessible to man without this suit... a "space suit".



"My god, it's full of stars"

The film space odyssey 2001 is a modern rendition and metaphor of this journey outwards. Overcoming the hal(hell) of mankind's fully controlled lower nature and making way towards the true destiny...



www.maat.sofiatopia.org...


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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 05:02 PM
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Nice thread!
Just a little tidbit to add.


Before the creation, the ancient Egyptian god Nun (or Nu) was all there was. Nun is Infinity, Nothing, Nowhere, and Darkness. In Genesis, Nun would correspond to the verse, "darkness was upon the deep," which is followed by "let there be light." Within the Darkness, the god Atum (or Tem, or Tum) was self-created and began the creation from within itself. Atum literally means not to be, meaning unmanifested, not personified, not born. As written in the papyrus Pepi I, this was "spirit, still and formless, who bore within itself the sum of all existence."

This is similar to the Hindu descriptions of Brahman and Atman. According to the Hindus, God has two aspects: one is the unmanifested, unmoved, unchanged, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow (Brahman); the other is present, active and with us (Atman). Interesting how similar Atum is to Hinduism's Atman, and to the Hebrew Adam. Atman is similar to the concept of the Logos, or "The Word," or "First Begotten of God," which begins St. John's gospel and by which "all things were made."

Nun and Atum could be considered the feminine and masculine aspects of God. Nun is the womb of Mother God, dark, silence, yet latent with the potential for creation. Atum is the projected aspect of Father God, actively involved in and with the creation.


www.edgarcayce.org...

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posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: Wifibrains

everything was "ok" until i hit this part..

The film space odyssey 2001 is a modern rendition and metaphor of this journey outwards. Overcoming the hal(hell) of mankind's fully controlled lower nature and making way towards the true destiny...



posted on Apr, 25 2015 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: UNIT76

Care to elaborate on why?

That part was right at the end so you may just disregard if you don't see the connection. It would not change anything in regards to the ideas proposed. No need to throw the bath water out with the baby. Hehe.

'twas just a add-on really.
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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 03:15 AM
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To understand the Ancient Egyptians you must first realize that their teachings were symbolic in nature and not to be taken literally. It is said that the Gnostics took much of their wisdom with them into the modern age, so this is probably a good place to start if one want to unveil their meaning. For example, what is all this talk about the Throne of God in their mystery teachings? My personal understanding is that it is about the Chrown Chakra placed just above the top of your head. Here is what the Gnostic have to say about the Throne.

-MM

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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
To understand the Ancient Egyptians you must first realize that their teachings were symbolic in nature and not to be taken literally.


It seems to me that most of Egypt itself is symbolic in nature, highlighted in the first two videos. Have you taken what I have posted literally? All is symbolic of a higher state of being and knowing.


It is said that the Gnostics took much of their wisdom with them into the modern age, so this is probably a good place to start if one want to unveil their meaning.


Yes, as blueMule has pointed out, there are similarities with other schools of thought... Although the symbolisms and structure of how the spirit relates to matter through "being" may differ slightly from culture to culture, the underlying truths in the metaphors and symbolisms mostly point to the same journey that starts within and its upward direction.



For example, what is all this talk about the Throne of God in their mystery teachings? My personal understanding is that it is about the Chrown Chakra placed just above the top of your head. Here is what the Gnostic have to say about the Throne.

-MM


It is my understanding and again highlighted in the videos that the penial gland is the "seat" and thus the throne. The crown is on top of who sits on the throne and the crown chakra itself is "symbolic" of a connection between the mind and the divine, and not to be taken literally.


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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 04:08 AM
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originally posted by: Wifibrains

It is my understanding and again highlighted in the videos that the penial gland is the "seat" and thus the throne. The crown is on top of who sits on the throne and the crown chakra itself is "symbolic" of a connection between the mind and the divine, and not to be taken literally.


The pineal gland (The Eye of Horus is the Ancient Egyptian symbol) is the door between this reality and the astral reality, it brings the ability to consciously astral travel. Its ability to naturally produce its own D.M.T. (a psychedelic substance) has been recogined since ancient times by priests and wise men & women all over the world.

-MM
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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains

I tend to agree with the Celestial axis laid out alongside the Nile...




The Sumerians associated it with the Tree of Life, of Enki and Ninhursga, of course being a tree the water rises upward within it and there was a God of the rising sap in the form of Damu, a God of rebirth.



posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Yes I agree, which makes its interpretation as a throne aka the seat of the soul, symbolic and not litteral.




posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Yes I agree, which makes its interpretation as a throne aka the seat of the soul, symbolic and not litteral.




I believe that you are mistaking in that the pineal gland is the throne, for me Revelation 4:1 says it all:



After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things." Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne


Here the door is the pineal gland, and after going through the door he was in spirit (astral projection) and he saw the throne. You see, the pineal gland is the door to the throne and not the throne itself.

-MM

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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Lol.

In Kabbala the door is at the base of the skull, which makes your bible qoute make more sense as in coming up to the throne.



posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Lol.

In Kabbala the door is at the base of the skull, which makes your bible qoute make more sense as in coming up to the throne.


Let me share some wisdom with you rather than just knowledge for once; after the Adept goes through the door he/she has the sensation of his/her soul is "walking a step up a ladder" to the top of the skull before entering the astral realm.

-MM

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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 06:13 AM
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I'm not trying to discredit your understanding or experiences in anyway, and am just saying how it makes sense to me by application to my own experience. Words are all symbolic and and I already stated the symbols and structure may differ slightly from one system or culture to another.

Your penial gland can be a door if you want it to be, I'm not intentionally trying to disputing your belief, wisdom and experience here, but find myself having to defend my own. How come?

Here is some more wisdom based on common sense.


Not all doors(symbols) are in the same place. Different doors can lead to different places.




We cool? or is this still unacceptable for you?
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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

Nice1 kantz.

Here is a interesting video on the microcosm, overlaying Babylonian and egyptian reliefs and the human body with sacred geometry.




posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains

It's wisdom rather than knowledge from a book since I have experienced astral projection myself and I'm trying to share that with you thus hopefully lead you further on your journey.

-MM
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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

But I have just returned from a trip! Are you trying to get rid of me? Lol.

Just kidding.

Thanks for sharing. Would it be fair to say the penial gland is a throne for some and a door for others? I'm sure we could argue about this all day and both provide links to back up our claims. why not just accept each others truths and we will both learn something.



posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains

I can only show the way and not force you to walk it. There are people out there that have true experiences & wisdom; look at those presently around you and not just back in awe at those that lived in the past.

-MM
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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

I had to change my post due to your edit.


I can only show the way and not force you to walk it.


Do you mean to say your way is the only way? Why should I go your way and not my own? I might not wish to go back to the astral...


There are people out there that have true experiences & wisdom;


Ok, I'm seeing you put yourself on a pedalstool now while assuming I have no experience, oh wise one.


look at those presently around you and not just back in awe at those that lived in the past.


I have looked at those around me who also have experiences that correlate to my own. You assuming that I don't makes me chuckle.

The quotes from pyramid texts in the op were selected because of their comparability to these experiences. The wisdom thereof obviously pervades your understanding, but for me were all encompassing and not just explainable by the pyramid text that are not nescaseraly originally in context with the premiss of this thread.

Does your door go anywhere else other than the astral. What is the difference in your opinion between astral and cosmic?

For me the astral is separate from reality while the cosmic only differs from the physical in magnitude.

This thread is about experiencing the cosmic not astral. Can you relate?







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posted on Apr, 26 2015 @ 08:33 PM
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Egyptians were symbolic and literal with their teachings




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