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Bruce Jenner and the "Transgender"

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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 03:06 AM
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It proves minds are different. Minds have been subjugated at an amazing at an amazing array.




posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:08 AM
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Crossdressing and transe,uals have been around since the beginning of man. Honestly, many people in ancient times would castrate themselves to be closer to the feminine body. Transexualism is almost natural. As in, its been in our culture, vs social perspective



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: Jordan River

Could you elaborate on the ancient people that would "castrate themselves to be closer to to the feminine body" that were many? Because I've never heard of anything like this.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 08:34 AM
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The femininebody was considered to be that of the divine. And being a female ,one could communicate to the divine. Goddesses factor



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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I don't care what this f-ed up ex-cereal huckster does with his money. It's a free country. Just don't make me watch.
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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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Bruce Jenner is reported to be worth about 100 million and his ex wife Kris Kardashian is worth about 30 million, so it's unlikely money is a factor in his decision to change genders. As other members have pointed out, men don't "cut it off " for any amount of money, and since Bruce claims his sexual preference is women, his penis has been quite "useful" to him.

What I find interesting is that if Bruce has always felt like a woman, he's felt like what might be called a "tomboy" since he enjoys what would be considered more "male" activities. I have watched "Keeping up with the Kardashians" over the years and Bruce was shown in several episodes trying to get his wife and daughters to participate in his "Boyish" hobbies with him.

I wish him well and hope he finds Peace.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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hmmmm, saw several references to what "research shows" but no actual studies quoted. if this is your opinion i have no issues with that, just should be stated as such.

also my impression (or opinion, since i don't have specific studies to quote) is that transsexual people must be thoroughly analyzed by a psychiatrist as part of the transitioning process, to weed out those who have gender issues due to deeper underlying problems. i believe there are studies (again, opinion) showing that many transgender people report being happier after the surgery, and 'corrections' are rare.
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posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: quantumist
Majority of people have no gender issues except the society-made ones. I see every day how the essential natures of women and men are denied, forced to fit this overintellectualized sterile mold of "genders are cultural constructs".


How exactly is this some sort of sterile mold if the "majority" have no issues? The entire statement contradicts itself here.


I cannot say whether souls have genders or not, but the bodies they inhabit definitely do(except for a few cases) and those bodies are wired in very different ways.



Know your anthropology. 99% of peoples(I am not making that number up) have remarkably similar gender roles. Including:


If you're going to assert science as the basis for your argument then you should have no problem at all providing citations to support your claim of 99% since you're "not making that number up".


-Boys engage in rough-and-tumble play, girls don't

You can't be serious! I know plenty if girls who engage in "rough and tumble" play. My daughters among them.


-Men fight the wars, women don't


In America and Europe maybe. When I was in the army, I was taught Keav Maga by a female IDF member. She could beat the hell out of most guys I've ever known, myself included.


-Women do majority of childcare


Again, your forcing your own cultural biases here. I'm have pretty severe physical limitations as a result if my military service and stay home with and care for my children while my wife works.


-Men initiate romantic relationships


Are you a Eisenhower/Nixon era republican? It's not the 1940's and 50's anymore and that really isn't true even in the West anymore.


-Men are more aggressive

Another way to put that is that men in western societies are forced to adhere to societal constructs for acceptable gender behaviors and discouraged from exhibiting most emotions aside from anger and aggression.

Every single one of those statements above is a broad and reaching over generalization and based heavily on modern western points of view.


How could most peoples happen to build the same "culturally constructed" genders? By accident?


Perhaps exploring how gender is perceived in other parts of the world would be a good place to start. India for example has what they refer to as the "third gender"



No. Testosterone triggers significant changes in behavior. And men have 20x more of that than females. Not to mention other hormones. Because of that females are more fit than males to take care of small children, why? Because of the hormonal differences they are more capable of emotional empathy, which is exactly what small kids need.


Men are incapable of empathy? Really? Can you support that statement with a citation of any sort or is that based on your own shallow and limited experience with the world at large?


There is beauty, strength and animalistic power in properly embraced masculine and feminine. This society is trying to eliminate those differences in the name of "logic" and "equality"(which now seems to mean sameness).


This sounds like a vague and veiled allusion towards the disintegration of "traditional values" which is just ludicrous no matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.


Yin & Yang.

I can write more about this if anyone cares.


Please. Do so. But unless you can support your statements with fact based citations,particularly when claiming science supports your motives, it's just your personal Opinion based on what comes off as a very narrow world view.

The bottom line is that at 65, Bruce Jenner's life choices have no affect on you personally or society as a whole. It's his / her life and the consequences will be shouldered by Bruce and his family. It's a personal decision between them. You have the option of not reading the headline, turning off the TV or ignoring posts about it if it truly ruffles your feathers that much. Judging someone when you have no understanding of the scenario as an outsider is your own burden ,
Not society's and certainly not Bruce's.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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I can't help but to wonder..would he be doing this had he not been around these freak show women he's been around.Say surrounded by men. Like lumberjacks .lol I doubt it.I'd visit my 80 yr old mother and she'd be watching that show.
Many times she would remark how horribly they treated Bruce.Especially his certifiably narcissist wife. I bet she would cut his off for money.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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The fact that something so matter-of-fact is such a headline in the U.S. speaks volumes for the nation and how 'progressive' it is.



posted on Apr, 28 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

My argument is mostly based on this emilkirkegaard.dk... (chapters on gender) and Steven Pinker's How The Mind Works(again the chapter on gender) & the studies quoted in those two books.




How exactly is this some sort of sterile mold if the "majority" have no issues? The entire statement contradicts itself here.


Oh come on, you know what I meant. Most people are naturally masculine or feminine but have to reign that nature in.




You can't be serious! I know plenty if girls who engage in "rough and tumble" play. My daughters among them.


My bad. The sentence should have included "In general". There are always exceptions and I don't deny that. So the reworded sentence should be "In general boys do more rough-and-tumbe play than girls".




In America and Europe maybe. When I was in the army, I was taught Keav Maga by a female IDF member. She could beat the hell out of most guys I've ever known, myself included.


Of course, notice how it happened in modern-day western culture. Go back in history and female soldiers are extremely rare. Even now they are not common.




Again, your forcing your own cultural biases here. I'm have pretty severe physical limitations as a result if my military service and stay home with and care for my children while my wife works.


So "severe physical limitations" is what it takes for a man to stay home and take care of the kids? Like I said, women do the majority, or more accurately, DID. Note how I am talking about other, "less progressive" cultures. Still, even in modern western world women do most of the childcare. Personal anecdotes don't change that.




Are you a Eisenhower/Nixon era republican? It's not the 1940's and 50's anymore and that really isn't true even in the West anymore.


I don't see how Nixon or republicanship come into this. "Even in west", the west has the most "bold" females in the world.




Another way to put that is that men in western societies are forced to adhere to societal constructs for acceptable gender behaviors and discouraged from exhibiting most emotions aside from anger and aggression. Every single one of those statements above is a broad and reaching over generalization and based heavily on modern western points of view.


You still don't get it, do you? THE MODERN WEST HAVE ONE OF THE LEAST AGGRESSIVE(I don't talk strictly about physical aggression) MEN IN HISTORY. This has nothing to do with "western" view.




Perhaps exploring how gender is perceived in other parts of the world would be a good place to start. India for example has what they refer to as the "third gender"


Oh I've traveled, don't worry. In most non-western places masculinity is not something that the men are ashamed of, that's what opened my eyes. Russia, eastern europe, mediterranean, even Nepal. Proud men.




Men are incapable of empathy? Really? Can you support that statement with a citation of any sort or is that based on your own shallow and limited experience with the world at large?


NIce ad hominem. Argue the arguments, don't try to add traits to the other person, especially when you pull them out of your ass. And what I said was that testosterone makes men less capable of emotional empathy. Not incapable, just less capable of it than women. I'm sure there are exceptions but that is the general trend.

Again I say that these statements are "In general", meaning there is room for exceptions and that is perfectly good, variety is the spice of life.




This sounds like a vague and veiled allusion towards the disintegration of "traditional values" which is just ludicrous no matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.


"Traditional values" seem to have to become a swearword. I definitely don't say all of them are great and that we should go back to 1900s values, but IN MY OPINION we are in the process of losing something valuable.




The bottom line is that at 65, Bruce Jenner's life choices have no affect on you personally or society as a whole. It's his / her life and the consequences will be shouldered by Bruce and his family. It's a personal decision between them. You have the option of not reading the headline, turning off the TV or ignoring posts about it if it truly ruffles your feathers that much.


Actually I have no idea who Bruce Jenner is, I just came here because I saw the, let's say "anti-gender" agenda. He's free to do what he wants.

And it does seem that I ruffled your feathers pretty well so it's a case of pot calling the kettle black



Anyway, my point here is not that everyone should bend to these strict male-female gender roles. The point is that there are many people out there who would be happy to be a more-or-less traditional male or female, but have to endure social stigma for not being "progressive" enough. The pendulum is swinging the other way, and we're in danger of creating just as rigid molds as in times past.



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 08:12 AM
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I'm thinking that it's a real good thing for all of us that it doesn't matter what the OP thinks. Rave on



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: schuyler
The fact is Jenner has an X chromosome in every cell of his body, an Adam's Apple, and the musculoskeletal system of a male. The fact that someone will cut off his privates and replace it with a hole that does nothing and give him hormone shots to create fake breasts does not alter that. This is a phenomenon made possible by modern medicine and enabled by a self-indulgent society that mistakes civil rights of people who cannot change what they are, such as race, with preferences of people who can pretend to be what they are not.

Sure he has the "right" to do what he wants, and people who have no idea what the ramifications are in his personal sphere will continue to claim he "isn't hurting anyone" without knowing if he is or is not, but other people also have the "right" to view this as representative of the decadence of society, and his choice to do this as laughable and pretentious. "Bruce Jenner is a woman!" Riiiight. Whatever you say, bub.



yes...my thoughts exactly ..

since I know someone, they are very close to me, who's oldest son just turned Transgender, as a dad....I know their heart is ripped out of their chest....that is all I have to say about 'not hurting someone'....




posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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i couldn't agree more. about 9 months ago i heard Kris saying, there have been rumors about Bruce's gender identity since the 70s, it's all ridiculous lies. Why is nobody calling her on her blatant, public lies??? It drives me nuts because my partner is a Kardashian junkie, if the damn show got cancelled it would make me very happy!
a reply to: Anyafaj



posted on Apr, 29 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: quantumist
a reply to: peter vlar

My argument is mostly based on this emilkirkegaard.dk... (chapters on gender) and Steven Pinker's How The Mind Works(again the chapter on gender) & the studies quoted in those two books.



You do realize in-depth Transgender scientific study is fairly new, right? (that is not saying Transgender is new)

Your Handbook is from 2005.

Info on gender studies really needs to be current.



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posted on Apr, 30 2015 @ 12:10 AM
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Why? I don't see the study results changing.



posted on Apr, 30 2015 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: quantumist
a reply to: Annee

Why? I don't see the study results changing.


You'd need to show me something on how it applies.

And yes, I do understand the difference between Psychology and Evolution. I still don't see how it applies.




Being transgender no longer a mental 'disorder' in diagnostic manual
By Moni Basu - - Dec 2012

(CNN) - The American Psychiatric Association announced this month approved changes in its official guide to classifying mental illnesses.

Among the major announced revisions to the manual, known as DSM-5, is that Asperger's syndrome will now be included in the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder "to help more accurately and consistently diagnose children with autism," the association said in a statement.

But the group made another big change that did not make as many headlines, though it is considered by many to be important.

The new DSM eliminates the term "gender identity disorder," long considered stigmatizing by mental health specialists and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender activists.

That old diagnosis meant that a man who believed he was destined to be a woman was considered mentally ill.

No longer so.


inamerica.blogs.cnn.com...
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posted on Apr, 30 2015 @ 12:42 AM
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posted on Apr, 30 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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A website full of people who believe in aliens, bigfoot, creationism, chemtrails and the NWO... But when asked to take another human being at face value when they say they don't feel comfortable as their biological sex, well, that's just a bridge too far!



posted on Apr, 30 2015 @ 08:51 PM
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I wonder if Bruce ever got tested for the PCB laden fake hormone, just curious. With everything's estrogen level rising, is it any wonder to see this more and more, not to mention the propaganda to accept it. Just getting people ready for changes, TPTB so very thoughtful.

Bruce can do what he, she, it, likes. I imagine this will become more and more common worldwide.



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