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If you could end the world and renew it or stay as we are forever, Which would you choose?

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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

We agree in principle.

I think the problem is you think I am arguing for forcing it on others. Blowing it all up. It may come to that because we arent even willing to address this logically and wont until we start to suffer later because of our choices now.

As we have seen, not many are willing to see the bigger picture and out of fear FOR THEMSELVES and their comfort, would deny countless generations beyond them a better future. We think we NEED air conditioning to be COLD when its hot out, and enough water for a kings pool, not a bath, the ability to check your mail on your phone so you can see what cool topics people are talking about is more important than the technological waste we produce. Etcetera.


You are preaching to the choir here. I've spent time in the military without many of those things then after getting out I've never had much money so can live quite well without most of those things.


How many wars have been waged in your short life over oil? Can you see the future where water is fought over? Fertile land?


Do you think that war will go away if we "reset"?


How many people do you know that died from cancer? If you think something we are doing is not contributing to the mass detriment of health world wide then I am sorry. I cant even touch that subject.


What does this have to do with anything? Cancer is just a bane of life in general. If anything, having cancer in our day and age is a lot easier on you and your family than it used to be.


How many species have gone endangered in your life time? Extinct? How many of those have been brought back to stable numbers?


This is a travesty I admit, BUT evolution is a great thing. In those animals' place, newer animals that are better adapted to living with humans will evolve. This is already occurring in animals like the dog or the rat.


The list goes on and on.

yet I am supposed to sit here and sip my coffee and watch TV thinking I am worthy of this mess? That my childrens children are less worthy than me....that I can have my generation borrow on their future in terms of wealth, resources and stability with nothing to answer for?

There is only one solution. We must sacrifice more.


I'm not asking you to do that. Like I said, work within the system to enact change. It CAN be done.


The problem is that like governments that take away liberties and freedoms and never give them back, PEOPLE never give up comforts and pleasures once obtained.

We are blind. Fear and selfishness govern us still.



Well we are human. We don't know everything and predicting the future remains impossible.




posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

No I dont think war will go away. I would prefer if war was limited in scope though.

Sickness like cancer wont go away. How great it would be if people who did get sick could be healed. As it stands, we will only be able to treat less people as time goes on and we grow in size. Even if we found a cure to things like cancer and HIV, then we have to figure out how to distribute those cures.

We know how to cure many things, yet people die of them every year. Things we have beaten. WHY? Because we have grown beyond our ability to distribute proportionally.

And that is the crux of my argument. Proportionate distribution...If we cut the fat we COULD distribute proportionally and stay the same size.

I have spent a long time seeing that the disproportionate world we live in is just the way it is. I have also started to see that it doesnt have to be that way. It IS that way because we wont even start to sacrifice what we have in excess.

There will always be rich, poor and in between. Always have war, sickness, malice.

That is no excuse though to allow those things to grow with not even the sky as a limit. We just raised our debt ceiling. We have states running out of water...WATER !! LOL

Oil is starting to be measured in terms of decades before scarcity.....

Resources are starting to be counted in terms of decades of use.

I am not saying that doom porn is spot on. I am saying that it is an exaggeration of a simple truth.

Even if we colonized a planet JUST LIKE earth in the next 200 years. In another 50 years after that we will need 2 more...then 5, then 10.....at this current rate of growth.

We are like bacteria filling a test tube. Even if you introduce new test tubes, the colony grows exponentially and fills them faster and faster.

I dont know what your solution is. We seem to agree....you say work within the system..? To do what exactly?

The system is built on a world that is the problem itself. The system is part of the problem. We cant even distribute justice proportionally because of the system and the world it tries to hold up.


Do you know WHY we cant arrest corrupt cops in the US? Because we would start to arrest countless cops and eventually, THEY WOULD ALL WALK OFF THE JOB. Its been studied.

Do you know why the west cant just negotiate with the rest of the world? Because the world would not allow us to use their resources at the prices we set so as to make our middle class be able to afford the use of them.

What happens if natural gas is sold at a price that places with natural gas dictate? We would die in the millions from cold in the winter because most people would not be able to afford it. The demand only grows while the supply stays the same (or reduces from over use). Eventually the demand is going to be so great that the price should be astronomical if we follow basic principles of economic growth.

We need a powerful military to secure the prices we need. Because our populations are used to a certain level of comfort and even though they grow and should pay more for them, we want to maintain the same level of living even though we double and triple in size every generation.

We still compare our way of life to those of the baby boomers !! We are a bigger population with greater demand on resources....DUH. We wont have a factory workers owning a home and a car and going on vacation and sending all his kids to school. He would have to make SOO much more than the baby boomers to make that possible.

So we come back to disproportionate distribution as the only answer to disproportionate growth.

Our side of the petri dish is full, so we look at the other side....that bacteria is screwed....and when there is no other side, we are all screwed.

So the solution? Ask the petri dish to grow? Ask the other bacteria on the other side to stop growing or die? In direct defiance of its nature?

The system cant do a damned thing. What will it do but force upon us measures to keep the tipping point bending and not snapping? What can it do? Tell us to not have so many kids? To save our resources? To be responsible? THAT IS WHAT IT DOES. WE dont, CANT listen because it goes against our nature. The system will need to start to FORCE these things on us. Just as you take issue with here aparently. I dont want to force people....I want them to decide and see the reality we are in. People wont though. They like to be "comfy".


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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Your wants seem to be at odds with reality. On one hand you admit that things like war, sickness, wealth gap, etc cannot go away, then you argue for trying to make everything fair. The reason those problems won't go away is because life isn't fair. There will always be the haves and the have nots. The corrupt and the incorruptible.

To be honest, colonizing space is my answer. You say that we will start needing more and more planets to satiate our needs as a civilization, but so what? When we are colonizing space, we can mine dead planets or bodies. If there is no life growing on the planet, who cares if we mess its environment up? The universe is vast, and our planet is small. We, as a species, are outgrowing out planet. We need to reach to the stars.



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I am not arguing fair. You are.

It would be unfair to reset. I say its logical, you say it would be unfair.

Space, sure. Show me the technology to do so. Until then its not an option.

What you argue is like eating to the point of obesity, and saying " so what, just buy bigger seats" Build stronger floors, widen doors, build better home cranes.

We need to cut the fat. Not because its FAIR, but because we are going to cause a problem that will threaten our very survival. We wont be entertaining rocket scientists and engineers with dreams of space when people are rioting over bread.

I am arguing against the heart attack, you for the cheese burger.

"doc, you are being unreasonable, my dad smoked and ate bacon everyday his whole life and he lived till 80" Who cares if I continue living as I do. I will just take a daily walk or something. I will work within my life style."

"well, you are going to die, but do what you want".


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I am not arguing fair. You are.

It would be unfair to reset. I say its logical, you say it would be unfair.


That isn't my argument at all. Resetting has nothing to do with fairness and isn't why I'm arguing against it.


Space, sure. Show me the technology to do so. Until then its not an option.


Well we'll never get there if we decide to reset before we can develop it.


What you argue is like eating to the point of obesity, and saying " so what, just buy bigger seats" Build stronger floors, widen doors, build better home cranes.

We need to cut the fat. Not because its FAIR, but because we are going to cause a problem that will threaten our every survival. We wont be entertaining rocket scientists and engineers with dreams of space when people are rioting over bread.

I am arguing against the heart attack, you for the cheese burger.

"doc, you are being unreasonable, my dad smoked and ate bacon everyday his whole life and he lived till 80" Who cares if I continue living as I do. I will just take a daily walk or something. I will work within my life style."

"well, you are going to die, but do what you want".



That isn't what I'm arguing for at all. I'm just trying to tell you that your solution is unrealistic and will do more harm than good. There are better ways to go about fixing society. Starting over isn't one of them.



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, like I said before. I disagree.

Resetting is the only option. Show me where we have proven we are capable of change.

We havent changed a thing. We havent learned a thing from history. We have stayed the same fundamentally and grown in ability is all.

Show me where we are different? We are the same beast but with satellites and nukes.

We can most certainly progress after a reset. Probably faster and farther than now.

Why is it that most medical endeavors are focussed around profit and dumb isht like cosmetic surgery and weight loss?

Why are most technological endeavors military in nature and all we see of them publicly are offshoots of them that are found AFTER the weapons platform is complete?

HELL, our first step into space was to spite our arch Rival Russia. To get to the moon before them. Its not like we said "hey for the betterment of mankind, lets do this". No, we said, EGO show us the way....into space? Sure....OK. As long as we beat the Ruskies there.

We are not capable of more. We cant even trust ourselves with what we are capable of. No stem cell research WHY? Because we cant trust that someone wont make baby farms to study them.

Cloning and other forbidden genetic research? NO! Someone might make human farms or do other such terribleness.

Free energy technologies? NO civilians might weaponize them.

Share aerospace technologies? NO! Other countries might apply them to weapons platforms.

Start to look into space colonizing technologies? NO! Not if we are not the first with a flag there!

We are only divided. We are not very great at progress unless it is fueled by the worst of us. Hell we should thank the Nazis for the modern world. Think about that.



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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, like I said before. I disagree.

Resetting is the only option. Show me where we have proven we are capable of change.


That's the thing, if you can't prove that we are capable of change then if we reset, we'll go right back to doing the things you disprove of again.


We havent changed a thing. We havent learned a thing from history. We have stayed the same fundamentally and grown in ability is all.


While I agree that there remains much about history that we as a society have failed to learn from, there is also plenty that we HAVE learned about. Democracy, racial issues, slavery, religious persecution. These are all examples of things that humanity has learned from its mistakes on and implemented changes for the better. It's still happening too.

Sure, it sucks that it doesn't happen over night. But that is the thing, the long term doesn't happen over night. So it is impossible to judge if the plans you are implementing now will pay off in the future. Though mark my words, things DO change.


Show me where we are different? We are the same beast but with satellites and nukes.

We can most certainly progress after a reset. Probably faster and farther than now.


How can we do that if we don't have a history?


Why is it that most medical endeavors are focussed around profit and dumb isht like cosmetic surgery and weight loss?


Uh... I'm going to need to see some evidence of this claim. Last I checked, there are millions if not billions of dollars dumped into Cancer research, HIV research, and other awful diseases every year.


Why are most technological endeavors military in nature and all we see of them publicly are offshoots of them that are found AFTER the weapons platform is complete?


That is ALWAYS how technology has increased in the past. Technology usually starts out as a tool of warfare then it is later adapted for civilian use. To be honest, with the way our economy has developed, this is one of the first times in human history where much of our new technology DOESN'T start out as military tech first.


HELL, our first step into space was to spite our arch Rival Russia. To get to the moon before them. Its not like we said "hey for the betterment of mankind, lets do this". No, we said, EGO show us the way....into space? Sure....OK. As long as we beat the Ruskies there.

We are not capable of more. We cant even trust ourselves with what we are capable of. No stem cell research WHY? Because we cant trust that someone wont make baby farms to study them.

Cloning and other forbidden genetic research? NO! Someone might make human farms or do other such terribleness.

Free energy technologies? NO civilians might weaponize them.

Share aerospace technologies? NO! Other countries might apply them to weapons platforms.

Start to look into space colonizing technologies? NO! Not if we are not the first with a flag there!

We are only divided. We are not very great at progress unless it is fueled by the worst of us. Hell we should thank the Nazis for the modern world. Think about that.


Believe it or not, but division is what fuels progress. If everyone was the same, nothing would ever change.



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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I disagree.

Division fuels a specific type of progress. I am not that impressed. No golden age came from conflict.

Like I said before, a reset would not be the final stage. Its a parting point once we reasses our priorities.

We can learn all we had before, but if we start based off what we have learned we would be better off. We can still preserve our progress to be picked up like seeds later.

This conversation has ended exactly like I knew it would. I am sorry if I didnt want to engage in it before, but this is why.

I disagree, you disagree and all we did was express how much and to what extent.

We will reset one way or the other. I want to control that process. You say let it all go on with slight change because you dont think it will. If you did, you would consider this.

I KNOW it will. It will be disasterous. We will probably lose much of what we have in the process like when Rome fell or like when the library of alexandria was burned just to conquer a single city caught in an empire that surrounded it. More conflict that fueled what progress exactly?

I wish we would just face it and make those hard choices now while we can do something about it. Later, when it is already happening, we will only be witnesses to the actions of a few that will dictate how things play out.

Here is hoping it wont happen in our lifetime. That is all we have to look forward to. Nice.


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I disagree.

Division fuels a specific type of progress. I am not that impressed. No golden age came from conflict.


Golden ages come when a country's economy hits a running stride. This is usually accomplished after a series of wars where the country claimed a bunch of resources.


Like I said before, a reset would not be the final stage. Its a parting point once we reasses our priorities.

We can learn all we had before, but if we start based off what we have learned we would be better off. We can still preserve our progress to be picked up like seeds later.


Now you appear to be changing the conditions. Before it was a reset back to the beginning, now we can preserve our knowledge and history? Well if we do that, what's to prevent us from literally rebuilding the society we had before? Heck, if anything, we'll get MUCH worse because there will be a HUGE power vacuum in the world. The only thing that fills power vacuums are despotic governments. Such is the way of the past and even continues today.


This conversation has ended exactly like I knew it would. I am sorry if I didnt want to engage in it before, but this is why.

I disagree, you disagree and all we did was express how much and to what extent.


You make it sound like it was a pointless endeavor. Acquisition of other people's opinions and why they think that way isn't a pointless endeavor though.


We will reset one way or the other. I want to control that process. You say let it all go on with slight change because you dont think it will. If you did, you would consider this.


Reset isn't the word I'd use in this case. More like a rubber band that is over stretched, snapping back into place. It certainly won't be a reset, but it WILL be disastrous.


I KNOW it will. It will be disasterous. We will probably lose much of what we have in the process like when Rome fell or like when the library of alexandria was burned just to conquer a single city caught in an empire that surrounded it. More conflict that fueled what progress exactly?


Rome didn't fall over night. Rome fell over the course of a few hundred years.


I wish we would just face it and make those hard choices now while we can do something about it. Later, when it is already happening, we will only be witnesses to the actions of a few that will dictate how things play out.

Here is hoping it wont happen in our lifetime. That is all we have to look forward to. Nice.



Humans are a short-sighted species. If you want long term solutions, then you are going to have to change the way humans think. If you don't do that, then even after your "reset", we'll still end up right back where we started.

By the way, if we loose all of our technology, then expect just about all of our nuclear power plants to meltdown and destroy the surrounding countryside. We could irradiate the earth just by "resetting".



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I never said a reset was so as to stay that way. It would be impossible. I argue a reset so as to control our direction.
I have not changed the conditions. You assumed I wanted to blow it all up before. I think we just assumed much on both sides of the argument.

Golden ages usually come after GREAT and massive upheaval when people are scared of what they just went through. Like having a heart attack and realizing that the cheeseburger is not the best thing for you.....

We have just had little scares here and there, so we still cheat and take a bite....

Maybe we just need to let it happen. Did you catch the thread by SkepticOverlord about gangs now uniting against cops in baltimore?
Once cops start getting killed, they may stop acting the way they do. Maybe when cops walk off the job for fear of their safety, people may appreciate the good old days when cops and not soldiers policed their streets.

I am starting to think that there is no reasoning. People will not change until something bad happens. Maybe it should.

I wish we were not blind. You can say mass and it wont change a thing. There will be a reset and it will be terrible.

It could be like a parachute ride...a controlled reset. Instead people will descend into savagery and quickly. I wish you and yours luck.


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I never said a reset was so as to stay that way. It would be impossible. A argue a reset so as to control our direction.
I have not changed the conditions. You assumed I wanted to blow it all up before. I think we just assumed much on both sides of the argument.


Fair enough.


Golden ages usually come after GREAt and massive upheaval when people are scared of what they just went through. Like having a heart attack and realizing that the cheeseburger is not the best thing for you.....

Maybe we just need to let it happen. Did you catch the thread by SO about gangs now uniting against cops in baltimore?
One cops start getting killed, they may stop acting the way they do. Maybe when cops walk off the job for fear of their safety people may appreciate the good old days when cops and not soldiers policed their streets.


I did catch it. I also live in Baltimore, so I'm kind of living it as well. That being said, yes, we DO need to just let it happen. That is the only way humanity will learn. Humans learn best from their mistakes by failing first. It reasons therefore that humanity as a whole would behave the same way.


I am starting to think that there is no reasoning. People will not change until something bad happens. Maybe it should.


Join the club. I came to this realization a LONG time ago. I admit that a snap back will occur. I just want to do what I can until the last minute to change that. Maybe we can hold it off long enough to develop space technology. Who knows? Maybe we can legalize a certain plant and it will give a jump to our manufacturing base. Again who knows?
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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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So you basically are all for it happening in the worst of ways. So, You DO understand that it is inevitable.

Now I am confused. You do realize that we risk losing more this way and for things to actually be "blown up" this way? Right?

That we would be facing a LONG road back up after a fall like that? Right? That more people die and more is destroyed this way? Right?

I think we dont have our "sea legs" yet as a civilization. We resist the ebb and flow, trying to stand straight up always like on land, only to fall on our face when the deck dips underneath us in choppy waters. We need to bend our knees some....that way we stay standing. We are going to be sick from the journey anyways, but falling into your filth or not is a big difference for me. Bending those knees and dipping down some seems like the smart thing to do. You can always straighten them back up....instead of getting up from the deck you just slammed into.

I do wish you luck though. Let us know how things develop there.


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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I think we Have started over about 2 or 3 time already!
we Still f it up. and always will.

even in the bible god started over.
the flood.
god "oops sorry, I will give you a rainbow to say sorry!!!!"

P.S. sorry to interrupt you two.
dont stop.

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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So you basically are all for it happening in the worst of ways. So, You DO understand that it is inevitable.


Implementing the alternative is a pipe dream. Could you imagine the public backlash if governments started restricting various amenities of modern life? The NWO crowd would be out in full force yelling about the Georgia Guidestones. Then, as public hardship increased, such ideas would stop being fringe ideas and become mainstream.

Just look at the backlash we get now against things like Carbon Credits. I'm not going to argue for or against the merits of Carbon Credits, just using that as an example.


Now I am confused. You do realize that we risk losing more this way and for things to actually be blown up this way? Right?


Go big or go home right? The payoff of getting it right, will be MUCH greater if we CAN get it to work.


That we would be facing a LONG road back up after a fall like that? Right? That more people die and more is destroyed this way? Right?


I think it is more likely that if we falter, another country (China) will just jump in our place. It may take us a while to climb out of the hole, but I don't think the world will sink into the bottom levels of hell just because the economy collapsed.


I think we dont have our "sea legs" yet as a civilization. We resist the ebb and flow, trying to stand straight up always like on land only to fall on our face when the deck dips underneath us. We need to bend our knees some....that way we stay standing. We are going to be sick from the journey anyways, but falling into your filth or not is a big difference for me. Bending those knees and dipping down some seems like the smart thing to do.

I do wish you luck though. Let us know how things develop there.



Sometimes you just have to get knocked down.

It's actually not that bad for the average citizen. I was down in the city for the better part of the evening yesterday and I didn't encounter any craziness. I'm willing to bet that in all likelihood the MSM will blow this whole situation WAY out of water to the point it makes Baltimore look like a demilitarized zone.



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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It is a go big or go home type situation.

We can start now to soften the response. The vilifying aspect of the endeavors you mention is because of who is behind them and the lack of transparency.

If it was an organic effort the response would be minimal. You dont have to jump the gun and set a deadline for like 20 or 30 years. You can start to talk about it and put your reasons up on the chalkboard.

You would be surprised how well people would accept it if they are given voice and vote in the matter. If you feel helpless you act out against the system you feel is forcing things on you. If you feel empowered you work with the system empowering you.

We have worked to convince people of some retarded crap and they, sadly, have fallen in line with them. This is no different.

There will be resistance no matter what, but without a guided measure chaos will be complete.

Sometimes you dont get back up. Some blows are meant to just knock you down, others to knock you 6 feet under.

The economy is least of my worries. A fall like the one we are facing is allot more real than fictitious numbers on a screen or perceived wealth or global standing.

I dont know how anyone, including far removed China, will avoid this. Its a civilization event, not a national one. The problem is rooted in our civilization not in an aspect or region of it.


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It is a go big or go home type situation.

We can start now to soften the response. The vilifying aspect of the endeavors you mention is because of who is behind them and the lack of transparency.

If it was an organic effort the response would be minimal. You dont have to jump the gun and set a deadline for like 20 or 30 years. You can start to talk about it and put your reasons up on the chalkboard.


Aren't we already doing that with things like the Climate Change discussion? Well we would be if there weren't so many forces trying to deny obvious science instead of discussing solutions.

In any case, the EPA exists to downplay environmental dangers from businesses doing unscrupulous things.


You would be surprised how well people would accept it if they are given voice and vote in the matter. If you feel helpless you act out against the system you feel is forcing things on you. If you feel empowered you work with the system empowering you.


People can already vote on this. All they have to do is give up the perks of being a first world country. If, after all, this is a 100% non-forced movement, then these people should be more than happy to do that. So why aren't they doing it yet?


We have worked to convince people of some retarded crap and they, sadly, have fallen in line with them. This is no different.

There will be resistance no matter what, but without a guided measure chaos will be complete.


And now we are at the crux of the situation. How much resistance and push back can you sustain before the plan falls apart? Can you handle being accused of implementing the Georgia Guidestones? Look at Bill Gates. He dumps tons of money into trying to help out Africa, but people here on ATS just call him an NWO plant who is using Africa for his own gains. How are the people implementing this plan going to stand out from the rest of the pack so they aren't looked at with paranoid eyes?


Sometimes you dont get back up.



Well everything has to die sometime.



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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Well everything has to die sometime.


Yes, but accepting that death without so much as trying to set up what replaces you is how that death is permanent.

Also, as far as how much resistance you can take....In the words of Q in the lessons video I posted before,

"If you cant take a little bloody nose maybe you should go back home and crawl under your bed, its not safe out here...its wondrous with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but its not for the timid"

I could be hated if it meant that a greater good was served. I have no need of love or respect. I am not alone.


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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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Well everything has to die sometime.


Yes, but accepting that death without so much as trying to set up what replaces you is how that death is permanent.


Who is accepting death without trying not to die? I just cited one example of a billionaire who is trying to help fix the world. Then we have all these climate scientists trying to bring about change so our climate doesn't kill us. Granted, climate science IS overshadowing needed scientific looks into environmental problems other than climate (like polluting our freshwater reserves and oceans).


Also, as far as how much resistance you can take....In the words of Q in the lessons video I posted before,

If you cant take a bloody nose stay home.

I could be hated if it meant that a greater good was served. I have no need of love or respect. I am not alone.



How do you know that one of the many big name billionaire players out there that ATS likes to demonize hasn't already adopted that mantle?



posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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There is much I dont know.

I only say my peace. That I would rather a staged reset with the express purpose of reducing the scope of our problems.

Bill gates also is part of a social network that dosnt trust people. They are in fact mirrors to the people they must deal with.

They operate off the same mindset as the people they rule over. There is little difference between them and those they find opposed to them.

The solution would apply to them as well. They too must reset and reevaluate what is important to them.

Its not just "us" it is very much "them" too. Make people see that and you would be hard pressed to find the same level of opposition.

there is no point in resetting if the biggest causes of our failures stay the same to repeat the same effects of their rule.

We need new types of people, and new types of people to lead them.

That is the problem that both sides face....they both would lose much. "They" want to reset so as to change very little about them by changing more about others (us)..... I want to reset to change it all. We all must sacrifice. Perhaps great wealth and central control that we see today would not be possible in the future...that must be accepted if true. It must be considered honestly....

if not there is due reason to doubt them. Spite in the face of that hypocrisy and lie would be well justified. It is at the root of why we are failing....it is a lie rooted in fear and blind self preservation and little else.

We must ALL change and sacrifice towards that end.



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posted on Apr, 27 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is much I dont know.

I only say my peace. That I would rather a staged reset with the express purpose of reducing the scope of our problems.

Bill gates also is part of a social network that dosnt trust people. They are in fact mirrors to the people they must deal with.


See. You are proving my point. How much do you KNOW about Bill Gates exactly? Outside of conspiracy research that is. Have you ever met the man? Have you sat down and talked to him about his wants? If not, then how can you make these claims about the man?


They operate off the same mindset as the people they rule over. There is little difference between them and those they find opposed to them.

The solution would apply to them as well. They too must reset and reevaluate what is important to them.

Its not just "us" it is very much "them" too. Make people see that and you would be hard pressed to find the same level of opposition.

there is no point in resetting if the biggest causes of our failures stay the same to repeat the same effects of their rule.

We need new types of people, and new types of people to lead them.

That is the problem that both sides face....they both would lose much. "They" want to reset so as to change very little about them by changing more about others..... I want to reset to change it all.


Without changing humanity's ever greater lust for power, we'll just be right back where we started. We'll just have new faces to demonize and hate for being wealthy and more powerful. That is unless you can design a form of Socialism that prevents people from acquiring too much wealth and power.
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