a reply to: borntowatch
Because science is about logical thinking, and understanding life strictly from a spiritual superstitious one isn't logical without science.
Spirituality is the understanding of something being unknown or rather magical/mystical in the sense that it adds significance to something greater
than just plain logic.
Stating old gods created the world from water and men made from clay as if hands melded clay into the formation of man and zapping it into life isn't
within the confineds of Logic but simply faith because the process cannot be proven rationally it relies on hypothetical concepts counter productive
Saying that a the river spirits are what makes water flow is counter productive to logic without a scientific thesis to back it up. It needs to make
sense to everyone, Even for the non believer to see it as plausible.
But we as humans do not decide how physics occurs within the Universe. We do not decide how it works, not through faith and not through thesis. We can
only observe the universe and draw up conclusions based on what is already per-existing and may not be known to the collective of humanity at this
Saying the universe spawned humans here and the entire cosmos from a big bang is very much as unscientific as a faith based pagan view such as the
Universe governing itself from one single consciousness that observes all consciousness at the same time everywhere and creates everything. In order
for you or me to be legitimate, it must not be so. Because if it was in such a case, then that would make the creator of everything the only true
original consciousness, and everything else would simply just be mirror created physical memories of the original who if it wakes up everything would
blip out of existence because everything else except the original wouldn't technically be real to begin with. And there is already Thesis about that
specifically, if you like the idea of being a figment of some dreaming gods imagination all power to you. But that dosn't sit well with most so they
become atheist lol.
Besides that. If we neglect that we are just figments of imagination, Then how does life start? The universe is Eternal so life never did start at one
point in current existence. Through the logic of the eternal cycling universe. Life has existed in long dead galaxies, an unfathomable time ago. So
regardless of life is created 13 billion years or 50 billion years and survives to this day is irrelevant because it will not be the original
life-force seeding the universe as the original is just an unfathomable concept to begin with when the ideas of creation span as endlessly as the
universe is wide and as it is ageless. The only things that age within the universe are creations within the universe. As new galaxies are being
formed, they are young, well old galaxies die, they are old. The newly created galaxies are not considered old.
And the old galaxies are not considered young. Giving the entirety of the universe timelessness, But creation bound by time because of Entropy.
Life doesn't have to come strictly from matter recombining itself into life without any prior blueprints such as current life replicates right? Even
tho that process is totally possible as i explained in my previous post, its not necessary. Because advanced life such as us can create our own
blueprints of life, and apply it to dead planets. To Fill planets void of life, with life fulfilling the role of Abiogenesis But is impossible to
occure without evolution to generate the advanced life-form in the first place.
See humans are an exception because advanced life created us. And it may very well be that advanced life created our creators too at some point. But
even then down the chain of advanced life seeding creators which seed more creators ect, it all starts with non-intervention abiogensis. Where matter
slowly becomes living, and eventually evolves over billions of years. But the likelyhood of such living matter becoming advanced like us? Is extremely
unlikely. To get to where the level of humans are currently would take trillions of years, Simply a lifespan that planets cannot endure. Evolution
occures from legoblocks shifting around to create new structures of energy releasing constructs.
To get to where we are as a human by sheer randomness of the shifting blocks is not impossible. But without intervention. Highly unlikely. Tho the
universe is infinitely huge. We will come across others like us undoubtedly. Most will be seeded by other advanced life to be at our levels, Very very
few will not and be original. If it was the other way around, life would be super advancing all over the place. And we would be seeing far more
numerous terraformed planets which we simply do not. We would see plant filled planets in every solar system we view if that was such a case because
advanced life colonizes in order to survive. There just isn't that many things locally doing such a thing. On the greater scale of the galaxy there
are probably 1000 to 100,000 advanced forms of life in the milkyway alone. However there are trillions of stars here. The number itself speaks for the
number of stars present. There just isn't that much advanced life.
So the advanced life seeks out other advanced life to know why it is so far and in-between. I guess its our jobs now as created advanced life to
spread our seeds of creation onto other planets and decide if we want to increase intelligence in our local area, However it is more than likely we
serve as some sort of purpose for advanced life that very well within probability seeded this planet. Evolution is invaluable in such the case because
without neither abiogenesis or evolution we wouldn't exist right now.
Its not a question of Either or, because both are literally requirements for something like us to exist...