Parents Share 5-Year-Old Son’s Transgender Journey

a reply to: gottaknow

The tragic life of David Reimer actually does show that gender is hardwired.

David Peter Reimer (August 22, 1965 – May 5, 2004) was a Canadian man born biologically male but raised female following medical advice and intervention after his penis was accidentally destroyed during a botched circumcision in infancy.[1] Psychologist John Money oversaw the case and reported the reassignment as successful and as evidence that gender identity is primarily learned. Academic sexologist Milton Diamond later reported that Reimer failed to identify as female since the age of 9 to 11,[2] and transitioned to living as a male at age 15. Well-known in medical circles for years anonymously as the "John/Joan" case, Reimer later went public with his story to help discourage similar medical practices. He later committed suicide after suffering years of severe depression, financial instability, and a troubled marriage.

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The doctors and the parents under recommendation from the doctor did everything they could to force a female gender on him from birth and cram it into his brain, but it never quite took. because his gender identity was wired from birth as male.

I am sure you will simply deny that just like you already said you will deny all studies and cases that contradict your opinion.

But, then why muddy up your madeup self truth with pesky things like facts, right?

just my opinion though.

a reply to: gottaknow

Good debating with you You seem a very rational and smart person.

They've ALREADY done the damage though by allowing her to change her name, and be considered a boy in all aspects. They call her HE and HIM. That's plain sick.

How did they damage her that way? It's the mind and brain not the body.

she needs to understand fully that she is a female and what that means in terms of just basic comprehension.

She does understand that her body is female. She is no dummy.

This is only going to confuse her more and require loads more counseling down the road. I feel so badly for her.

No it's the ones who have been denied their identities who got confused and require more counseling.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: infolurker

Care to elaborate on why you think this is insane and that they are nuts?

If that child is wired that way then there is nothing you and I and anyone else can do. Transgender children forced to change tend to have many emotional and mental problems.

OH MY GOD, seriously stuff the PC nonsense right now. Just stop.


You are part of the problem. Children do not even begin to exhibit sex-specific traits until adolescense, so before that the ideas of being a boy or girl are entirely dependent on how the parents raise them.

This doesn't doesn't mean that you can simply nurture them into being a different sex/gender. That theory was thoroughly debunked by many examples, most notably the David Reimer case!!!

What it means is that parents have a duty to HELP a child develop their sense of sexual identity and reaffirm being a boy or girl. There is nothing wrong with telling a boy to do boy things and telling a girl to do girl things. This PC garbage has gone to0 far!!!

Sorry mate you're simply wrong. Yes WRONG. In the real world there is right and wrong, not 5000 varying shades of PC "everything is acceptable/everyone gets a trophy" bull#.

a reply to: prisoneronashipoffools

That doesn't conflict with what I said, but I can see why you think it would. I probably should have stated it as alternative gender identity not hardwired. Do you see what I mean? I'm saying to have the opposite gender identification hardwired genetically isn't a thing.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

That theory was thoroughly debunked by many examples, most notably the David Reimer case!!!

Curious about the debunking. Please cite some source as you did not.

What it means is that parents have a duty to HELP a child develop their sense of sexual identity and reaffirm being a boy or girl.

Correct.

[edit] - Why does gender identity needs to be reaffirmed? Boys will always be boys. Girls will always be girls. It's in those cases like this that need to be taken care carefully. Transgender children have gone through hard times already even with their parents' acceptance.

There is nothing wrong with telling a boy to do boy things and telling a girl to do girl things.

Who said it was wrong?

Generally there is no problem with that.

You are agreeing more than you think.

Why does anyone care? As long as they are happy and comfortable that's all that matters. If the child is going through a phase then it could always go back to being a boy. It all goes back to people having a projected morality on others and people not accepting that times are changing. People had these feelings in the past but would suppress their feelings feel miserable and kill themselves.

a reply to: BoxFulder

Why does anyone care? As long as they are happy and comfortable that's all that matters. If the child is going through a phase then it could always go back to being a boy. It all goes back to people having a projected morality on others and people not accepting that times are changing. People had these feelings in the past but would suppress their feelings feel miserable and kill themselves.

That's precisely what we have been trying to tell them. It seems that this topic got their panties all in a twist.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

So do you then retract your very first post in this thread ? It is pure insanity to let a child dictate their sex at that age. Parents shouldn't even discuss gender identity with a child before adolescence. If a child is pushy about it you tell them they are boy because they have a weewee, or a girl because they have a [dont know female term for this]. You don't get deep into it, you just reinforce their sense of self and that's it.

It blows my mind that we have gone so far down the express-road-to-nowhere that is PC psychobable nonsense, that we can;t even grasp the concept: Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.

If there becomes an identity crisis at puberty, then address it at that time.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

So do you then retract your very first post in this thread ?

The only thing I corrected myself was gender identity. I originally said sexual identity which I didn't mean to say.

It is pure insanity to let a child dictate their sex at that age.

Is that girl so dumb that she thinks she has a penis?

If there becomes an identity crisis at puberty, then address it at that time.

LOL now see you are agreeing more than you think.

Why worry?

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Still waiting on sources debunking the David Reimer case. I am seriously interested.

originally posted by: gottaknow
a reply to: prisoneronashipoffools

That doesn't conflict with what I said, but I can see why you think it would. I probably should have stated it as alternative gender identity not hardwired. Do you see what I mean? I'm saying to have the opposite gender identification hardwired genetically isn't a thing.

No the only thing I see is, you making more stuff up to trying to support a ludicrous illogical theory with no evidence, cases, studies or examples to back it up. And creating a double standard that allows you to continue your game of confirmatation bias.

ie gender is only hardwired when it supports you theory and position but suddenly is not hardwired when it refutes them. either gender is hard wired or not period.

Even if I was to temporarily suspend logic and reason and assume that your theory that "alternative" gender is not hardwired, then you should be able to gather evidence, studies and cases to support that, right? Where are they?

I can tell you, that prior to the last few decades most parent's and the psycholgical community, also believed that "alternative" gender was not hard wired; like you, and they spent many decades trying to use varying methods of conversion therapy to force people with an "alternative" gender into accepting their birth gender.

After many decades of holding that stance and doing conversion therapy all the while failing and destroying lives, over time the overwhelming evidence has shown that even people with "alternative" gender were also hardwired.

It's actually why a very large portion of the psychological comunity are now taking the stance they do on transgender childrean and people.

If your theory that "alternative" gender is a magical type that is not hardwired, then where are all your success stories of people who thought they were an alternate gender and were able to be convinced they were their birth gender? Your evidence? Case studies? examples? anything?

originally posted by: infolurker
OK,

A two year old verbalizes that her sexual identity is in question and the parents have a "family therapy team" for her in place at age 4?

Really? No political or social motivation here right?

This is insane. Either these parents are looking for their 15 seconds of fame or they are truly nuts and drinking the psycho-babble Kool-Aid.

So your response to a story that has nothing to do with you and has no impact on your life is deemed to be nonsense because you're ignorant on the issue?

What's the deal, do you think transgender people don't exist?
Are you angry that other parents choose to guide their child without forcing their attitudes and ignorance on that child?
Are you just furious that those "dirty commie liberals" are going to take away your guns and this is the start of it?

What is it?

The child is receiving therapy, because the child is expressing gender confusion as a result of *potentially* being transgender. It's not like these people are asserting that the child is one thing or the other, male or female in nature, they are doing the best for their child to raise a healthy and happy Human.

What exactly do you think they should do? Should they force the child to conform to physical gender to please you? Should they ignore the depression, the isolation and the psychological trauma this will inevitably cause just because YOU don't get it?

I fail to understand what people like you are so angry about.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
Is that girl so dumb that she thinks she has a penis?

And this one line adequately shows the level of ignorance transgender people have to endure.

It's not about genitals.

For the love of Gaia would people please read a f-ing book once in a while?

a reply to: Rocker2013

And this one line adequately shows the level of ignorance transgender people have to endure.

It's not about genitals

For the love of Gaia would people please read a f-ing book once in a while?

Tell them that not me!

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: infolurker

Care to elaborate on why you think this is insane and that they are nuts?.

Cause the child is freaking five!

Hell I probably had some gender issues at that time. Once he/she hit teens and goes through puberty they may change

5 is not the time to start making concrete gender decisions.

Just let the little kid express himself as he see fit. No silly journeys.

a reply to: crazyewok

Just let the little kid express himself as he see fit.

Which have been repeatedly shown here in this thread. They are doing exactly that. For some reason some people get their panties all in a twist over this topic.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Still waiting on sources debunking the David Reimer case. I am seriously interested.

Read my post again. I never said Reimer was debunked. I said his case debunks the theories of idiots who think you can raise a child as a boy or girl regardless of their real original sex.

People like Dr. John Money who invented the idea of gender identity have been completely debunked.

And to address your later quote and reply to me. There is no such thing as a transgender child. Children are capricious and impulsive. They dont make major life decisions, that's the PARENTS JOB! If they insist they are the wrong sex, you reinforce that boy/girl is determined by the organs and that's the end of it.

Later in life they can address those feelings if they persist or recur.

If these moron parents had just ignored it, the girl would have decided to be a tiger the next week, and a Zebra the week after that. Maybe then a Martian. They're KIDS for Christs sake!!!

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Read my post again. I never said Reimer was debunked. I said his case debunks the theories of idiots who think you can raise a child as a boy or girl regardless of their real original sex.

Oh sorry. I just realized that. Too many varying arguments going on in this thread and I get confused sometimes.

They dont make major life decisions

WHERE DID THEY SAY THEY EVER DO THAT?

If they insist they are the wrong sex, you reinforce that boy/girl is determined by the organs and that's the end of it.

Right. So you think they are too dumb to recognize their own bodies?

If these moron parents had just ignored it, the girl would have decided to be a tiger the next week, and a Zebra the week after that. Maybe then a Martian. They're KIDS for Christs sake!!!

Here we go again... those silly analogies. What does wanting to be a tiger, a zebra, a martian, unicorn (and what other posters said super hero and giraffe) have to do with this?

For something ultra-f&cked up have a look at this:

www.voy.com...

Hello, im not sure if anyone is interested in my story but my partner and I have a 13 year old girl who was born male. Tara lived as a boy until the age of 7. Long story short my partner Deb's ex husband was not a good man and after she finally was able to get away from him we made a decision Tim would be better off as girl. It really was the best thing for my partners child and for Deb and i as well. Our situation just didnt and doesnt suit having a boy. Tara has done really well accepting her new gender. It was very hard at first but we were very lucky in that an ex partner who Im still close to is a gender specialist so that was a big help. Tara was able to start her medical treatments young enough that male puberty will not be a problem for us. She has developed a very girly figure we very happy with the results.
She has accepted she is a girl and is starting to enjoy attending school as a stealth girl

Anyway im wondering if anyone has any experience with SRS which she will be having in the next few years. Im wondering how we mentally prepare her for this.

Thanks for reading.
Amy

So two women who hate men, decide to take a healthy normal boy named Tim, and turn him into a girl named Tara because they "decided he would be better off as a girl"....... WTF.

And they are ALLOWED to force surgery and hormone treatment on a child in order to create their preferred gender?????


Just imgine for a moment if my wife and I (caucasians) adopted a black baby and a few years later decided "he would be better off as a white person" so we then got some kind of anti melanin medication and forced surgery on him to make him appear more European...... CAN YOU IMAGINE THE PUBLIC OUTCRY??!?!?

a reply to: 8675309jenny

I want to be a tiger