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Re-incarnation: A Blessing or a Curse?

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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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We endure life after life in this predator/prey dimension, forever trying to reconcile our electromagnetic balance sheets; a balance sheet of energetic debt that we know nothing of!

As electro magnetic beings in an electro magnetic universe of charge, every thought is a weapon of salvation[oneness] or duality[separation.]

Some relish the thought of re-incarnation, the salve that helps to calm the ‘I’, the ego, the personality, the me. The all encompassing sense of self, that in its arrogance can’t accept the thought of its own annihilation. For ego centered folk, re- incarnation is a faith and a blessing.

Yet, re-incarnation is also a curse, a prison that blocks us from transcendence and keeps us bound by electro-magnetic debt to this contrived reality. Karma comes from the Sanskrit root Kri meaning action. Nothing in our reality stands still, all is in motion.

Duality is the basis of life in the third dimension, and all human life is a balancing act, a balancing act of polarity. Every thought, action and deed that we entertain carries a charge that is either positive or negative. At physical death this balance sheet of positive and negative charges is weighed, not by a god of any sort but by the programme of duality and, the debt has to be repaid in the third dimension where it was created.

Life after life we are locked into a suit of flesh that has its own instincts and desires…that of the reptile self. And while the dinosaur rules, we shall be chained to this hell, this third world of fire and dissent. We are split beings, the product of vivisection and genetic engineering. We are Divine and demonic essence packed into the same space, viewing virtual reality through a piece of geometric software.

The dinosaur brain that was forced upon our Divine nature is the seat of the ego, the little ‘I’ that thinks itself a god. It is the predator mind, the killer, the rapist and the waster of men’s lives. The reptile mind is fearful, and we are traumatized by it from the moment we are born until the day we die. Our lives via the inherited software called the reptile mind are plagued with insecurities, fear and desire.

These emotions give off a negative charge and we are drawn back into incarnation by the resonance of our desires. In this knowledge lies the key to why we come back here life after life, and the key that will release us from the wheel of rebirth. This life of ours is the fairy tale of the princess locked away in the ivory tower of flesh by the wicked witch; condemning us to separation, the ‘us versus them’, the conflict, the struggle, the loneliness and despair that subjugates us, turns us into little mechanized units. We then become prey and are exploited by predatorial, sense bound beings called monarchs and rulers, those creatures of darkness that have no soul.

This is their world, they run the show and we are the performing animals.

We are educated to work for them, to fight their battles upon the bloody field. We are mechanical entities going through the motions for the next pay check, desperately hanging on to any crumbs that our handlers spill to keep us in the loop. The years slip by and we become resentful as our hopes and dreams are dashed in a sordid, shallow life. And after everything we’ve been through, we are still at the mercy of duality, the reptile mind of ‘us and them’, our thoughts still plagued with infantile emotions… until old age, disease or accident entombs us.

Is this life?…or is it a living hell?

Why do we accept our lot knowing it is immoral and spiritually bankrupt?

Why do we conform to the norm… instead of shattering the duality in ourselves?

We would rather be prisoners in the gulag of misery than strike out on a road into the unknown.

I often wonder why people become hermits, monks of harmlessness. Why, I ask myself, would they deprive themselves of the senses: rich food, sex and the 'powerful, aggressiveness of their lives.' I know now. They have caught on to the game of life in this reality. No negative charge means no energetic debt and liberation from the hell called the Third Dimension.

The split into dualism from oneness can only be mended by our Hearts. We have to transcend duality, the ‘us and them’ and see life for what it really is. We must overcome the conditioning of centuries, propaganda and fear that keeps us enslaved and reach for the greater whole. We will then no longer waste our energy in conflict but will use it to forge a pathway to a lighter, brighter world.

The poem below is very enlightening for those of us who seek truth in our lives. It describes how faults in one life are carried forward into the next… ad infinitum and I might add…ad nauseum.

This is the cup, the cup assigned to you from the beginning.

I know, My child, how much of this dark drink is your own brew

In the deep years of yesterday, I know.

This is your road, a painful road and drear.

I made the stones that never give you rest;

And he, like you, shall come unto my breast,

But you , My child, must travel here.

This is your task, it has no joy or grace,

But it cannot be wrought by any other hand;

Take it. I do not bid you understand.

I bid you close your eyes and see My face. - Swami Vivekanander.


Stay in love with the moment and see duality for the illusion that it is…

Much love to you all.




posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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We have to stay here until we get it right.

Some will take many lifetimes to evolve. Some may never achieve it.

However, the people currently on Earth....Suck



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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Yes, this world is clearly no paradise. Just the simple fact that everyone we ever have loved is either dead or going to die, including us, should tell us this is no utopia and will never be one. And to return here endlessly is certainly no consolation when this life of suffering is really felt and understood.

I appreciate much of what you say, though what you wrote about why monks and other ascetics take up a life of renunciation is often times another egoic search for self-fulfillment. Not always, but often enough to consider it further.

To seek is to assume separation from the Reality that always is the case. However, I do agree with you that we must constantly embrace life with a real understanding of the bs that is going on here - and this will inspire us to always transcend this apparent duality in each moment.

This transcendence necessarily involves a real practice, based on our recognition of the non-dual Reality we all arise in and are a modification of.

To constantly live in that recognition of our actual Reality is the right basis for taking up whatever supportive disciplines will serve the deepening of this recognition - and ultimately, those disciplines include all aspects of the body-mind complex.

This is the foundation for true renunciation, not the goal of getting free, escaping life, etc. - but heart-connecting with what is free from the beginning. On this basis (rather than our own agenda), Reality will manifest as, and to, our heart-intelligence what we do about this recognition of the Truth.

Great poem. I especially like the final sentence - which says a tremendous amount in just a few words.

Thanks for the thread.


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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
We have to stay here until we get it right.

Some will take many lifetimes to evolve. Some may never achieve it.

However, the people currently on Earth....Suck


not all of them.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: N3k9Ni




Re-incarnation: A Blessing or a Curse?


I would like to add a third option so as to avoid a false dilemma fallacy.

Reincarnation—a notion conceived and claimed by primitive priests bent on creating a racket and charging security for one's soul.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: N3k9Ni




Re-incarnation: A Blessing or a Curse?


I would like to add a third option so as to avoid a false dilemma fallacy.

Reincarnation—a notion conceived and claimed by primitive priests bent on creating a racket and charging security for one's soul.


> Is this life?…or is it a living hell?

We are not waiting to die, we are waiting to be born.
yes, this life is a hell and re-incarnation is a curse if
it keeps use trapped in this time-based illusion, but
in truth the only enemy is fear.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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We are here for a glorious purpose...to learn to love each other and ourselves. Clearly it is taking a long time to get it right.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: N3k9Ni




Re-incarnation: A Blessing or a Curse?


I would like to add a third option so as to avoid a false dilemma fallacy.

Reincarnation—a notion conceived and claimed by primitive priests bent on creating a racket and charging security for one's soul.


I think there is ample evidence for reincarnation...

uvamagazine.org...
listverse.com...
reluctant-messenger.com...



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: N3k9Ni

Who's to say you aren't a reincarnation yourself? You could've lived another life in another time.

The scientist in me says reincarnation is not possible, but I have seen things that throws science out the window. There is more than meets the eye and I hate the fact that science cannot explain the more 'exotic' experiences.






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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:02 PM
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I don't know whether or not you are correct. Most of your missive is an editorial rant, but I suspect the major issue, that reincarnation is "how it is done" is correct. The rest is opinion. And mine is that we have an extremely limited perspective from our vantage point. Much has been closed off to us and is effectively a "secret" for the time being. So we do what we always do when faced with not knowing, especially when we believe this secret is being intentionally kept from us:

We speculate, no matter how little evidence we have. And our speculation amounts to flights of fancy more than anything else. Oh, sometimes we encounter people who claim to know The Truth, and we follow them because they talk a good line. And if someone's version of The Truth is too far out of line with what we think we know ourselves, we treat their ideas with disdain. "Christians (or insert any group you don't like here) obviously do not know what they are talking about and everything they believe is stupid."

But as for ourselves, that's different because we KNOW what The Truth is by virtue of our superior intelligence, our insider knowledge, or just maybe our own intuition. And sometimes we come to the conclusion that "how it is done" is wrong, not right, reprehensible, even, and we chafe at being subject to this unfair way of doing things. And when our belief structure intimates that our Ego may be a short-lived phenomenon, that it might be suppressed in the next plain, we fight for our "rights" to keep it alive.

However, I'm not convinced we really know much at all, and "how it is done" may vary greatly from what we have decided The Truth is, and most importantly, once we get there our perspective may change greatly as we marvel at how ignorant our previous beliefs were.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: N3k9Ni

I think people take the notion of reincarnation too seriously and too dogmatically, steeped in religious beliefs.

The best analogy Ive found to describe our situation, is that of video games and players of those games. Note, this is an analogy, not a literal interpretation, however apt the analogy is.

Its like a video game, this reality we call "real". We choose to play at some point, so we incarnate as a character. And as we all know, in video games, all characters die... sometimes a great deal.

In some games, a very unforgiving mechanism is implemented called perma-death, especially in rogue-like games. This means that once your character dies, there is no respawning or coming back under usual circumstances. However, though your character is gone, the game is still present. The game itself goes nowhere, and is always available to continue playing. Also, the essence of that dead character, you in this "real" world, or the unmanifest true you in the spirit (when talking about physical death), sticks around as well.

Reincarnation is akin to creating a new character, and playing again.

For some people, one play through and one death is enough to want to do something else. For others, maybe a few times, and for some, playing over, and over, and over becomes a thing, until the game becomes a part of their identity.

Sometimes the new character we make, we play the same as the last for our own reasons. Likewise, sometimes we choose to play in a completely different fashion, and one character compared to the next is very different.

But the player, or essence, is still the same, undergoing only minute changes as experiences from characters are experienced, and lessons learned, and fun (or lack there of) had.

But... getting down to our game called "life"... no one forces you to play the game. You can quit any time, either in the middle of a characters life, or at its end, and no one can compel you to play the game again. The game we are playing now is like a sandbox game; it has no victory conditions and goes on endlessly until the server shuts down. There are no winners nor losers, because there is no score nor objective, other than to experience the game itself, and in that respect any who play at all have already achieved the goal of the game. There are no better nor worse experiences in the objective sense, and no right nor wrong way to play.

There are also no rewards, nor punishments for playing the game, except the "rewards" or "punishments" you bestow upon yourself.

Reincarnation is certainly a choice we all have, but its a very simple thing that has become steeped in falsity stemming from ignorance, foolishness, and deliberate attempts at deception.

So... reincarnation, blessing, or curse? Well, its neither, because bless/curse implies an external force is deciding something for you. In truth, you are the absolute sovereign of your being and unbeing (more or less the same thing really), and nothing can compel your actions. They are decided purely by your own will.

Reincarnation is a choice. To play the game again, or to move on to other things.

Thats all it is.
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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: schuyler
I'd applaud you for that post if I could. Seriously.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: CaticusMaximus
Reincarnation is a choice. To play the game again, or to move on to other things.

Thats all it is.

Do you have any control of your birth process? Do you remember saying, yeah, I want to go to Earth!?

Likewise, you don't have any mental control relative to this machine of reincarnation. There are "spiritual" laws involved with it, just like there are laws governing the physics of the Earth and all of us.

There is a real process to stepping out of this mechanical re-cycling - but as the op points out, it involves real transcendence, not just some decision to play or not like you do with a video game.


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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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Re-incarnation doesn't' make sense. If souls are re-incarnated, then where are the new souls coming from, being the population explosion?



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: Meduzi
Re-incarnation doesn't' make sense. If souls are re-incarnated, then where are the new souls coming from, being the population explosion?


That's a very limited and narrow perspective. This world isn't the only one nor necessarily the only place "souls" come to. Also, exponential growth would account for it. Third, over 107 billion people have lived in the past, so what if the population is now 7 billion? Source

It may be true that reincarnation doesn't make sense, but you have not provided any reasons to think so.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere




However, the people currently on Earth....Suck



I have to agree. I wouldn't want to come back to this rock again. Than again, we may have nothing to come back to if the politicians of the world end up destroying it before we have a chance to come back.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: jessme2




not all of them.


Yeah, you have a point, but the politicians and the elite who run this world suck.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

Halelaw..... halluleala..... halel..... *$%%$*( it.


Yeah!
edit on 24-4-2015 by Meduzi because: I type like a dolt.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Meduzi

Consider the fact that we are a speck of dirt in the vastness of the universe... to believe we are the only intelligent beings out there is quite naïve...

That solves your "new soul" issue...

There are no new souls




posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: bb23108

Do you have any control of your birth process? Do you remember saying, yeah, I want to go to Earth!?


Im not sure of the relevance of the first question, unless you mean the circumstances you are born into, and not the physical process. If that, then yes, you have some control, whether you remember it or not.

To the second: the point is moot whether you remember or not.

Lets go way back in time 23 years.... Everyone is familiar with Doom, at least having heard about it. I have played it, a lot in the past. Do I remember saying "yeah, I want to go to hell and fight my way out!"? No, I dont. But the fact remains that, in that game universe, I still did do that despite not remembering having chose to.


originally posted by: bb23108

Likewise, you don't have any mental control relative to this machine of reincarnation.


And that belief is precisely why you are stuck in it. Youve already dismissed the truth as false, because you do not know yourself, nor who you really are.

You are.

Get it?

You would say "I Am."


originally posted by: bb23108

There are "spiritual" laws involved with it, just like there are laws governing the physics of the Earth and all of us.


There is one "spiritual law", which is that your will where your spirit is concerned is absolute. And yes, to have your character abide by the rules of this game is also your will.


originally posted by: bb23108

There is a real process to stepping out of this mechanical re-cycling - but as the op points out, it involves real transcendence, not just some decision to play or not like you do with a video game.


Maybe the existence of the decision only becomes clear to you once youve already transcended the false paradigms that human society holds so dear to its being, such as the objective existence of hierarchical structures, stratified dimensions accessible only to those "worthy" based on arbitrary deeds performed in a game, objective judgement by an external force, and absolute points of reference.

Perhaps reconsidering what constitutes "transcendence" might lead to some... "enlightenment"


You know what transcendence is, people? Transcendence is remembering who you are, and transcending the illusionary paradigm that you are solely your outwardly manifestation; your player character. Your player character is a manifest symbolic representation of the unmanifest spirit; the true you that is eternal and infinite, unbound and unlimited.

And we are all in the process of remembering... all in the in process of transcending. And we all will eventually transcend.

But really it doesnt matter. This is part of the game. Illusion and uncertainty is wound into the fabric of this reality, and it is part of the experience I spoke of prior, and experiencing this, as other parts of this game, is what the game is about.

Its up to all of us individually to decide when weve had enough. For me personally, this is my last character here. Im ready to move on, and there is nothing to stop me or hold me back. No ephemeral thought-form deity will sway me with empty promises or toothless threats; no physical lineage will be there for me to remain attached to; no physical desire will tempt me back.

So for me, at the end of this life... GG no re! You all continue to play as long as you like though



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