Marines Preparing for Riot Control in American Soil.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are people just skimming everything, just read the title, watched 1 minute of the video and then responded without taking in context what has been happening?

The training is being done in conjunction with LEOs in the U.S. meaning the exercises are meant to quell disturbances in the U.S. Not what the military and government are claiming they are for.

We also have the statements made by some LEOs which are disturbing on their own.



As i wrote on another thread, I do not think all Law Enforcement Officers are like the one above, but more and more we see comments and actions being taken by more and more police officers that is completely wrong.

I am not trying to use this to spread hatred against LEOs, but we need to start taking this seriously it's becoming too common as more and more LEOs act as if the U.S. was a "warzone" and make similar comments to what the Spokane Deputy told the citizen in the video. We see this happening almost on a weekly basis now, including officers saying that they don't care about the U.S. Constitution since the President doesn't care either.



Have people also forgotten that the current administration went as far as claiming that President Obama has the authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans?

Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

President Barack Obama has the authority to use an unmanned drone strike to kill US citizens on American soil, his attorney general has said.

By Jon Swaine, Washington

6:52PM GMT 06 Mar 2013

Eric Holder argued that using lethal military force against an American in his home country would be legal and justified in an "extraordinary circumstance" comparable to the September 11 terrorist attacks.

"The president could conceivably have no choice but to authorise the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland," Mr Holder said.

His statement was described as "more than frightening" by Senator Rand Paul, a Republican from Kentucky, who had demanded to know the Obama administration's position on the subject.
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The militarization of police has become so apparent that even some Senators, in both houses, have critiziced the growing militarization of LEAs.

Senators Criticize Growing Militarization of Local Police Departments
Democrats, Republicans Question Federal Programs Giving Military-Style Gear to Local Law Enforcement
By Andrew Grossman
Updated Sept. 9, 2014 7:38 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON—Senators on Tuesday criticized federal programs that outfit police departments with military gear, saying they waste funds and sow mistrust between law enforcement and the communities they police.
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Have soldiers in various branches of the military been used in the past to quell protests? Yes, but does it make it right? no.

The government and military are claiming that these exercises are only being done to train our military for overseas ops, but if that was true are they going to send all the American LEOs that have been training with them? Of course not.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How many hundreds of millions of people live within the US?

How many major cities in the US with more than 1,000,000 population?

How many active duty soldiers plus LEO's total?

I'm thinking we will see this coming from miles away. In other words, posturing, grandstanding and padding special interest pocketbooks, and not much else.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

How many hundreds of millions have been under authoritarian rule around the world with just a small percentage of the population being police and or military?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You made a good point, so I watched the entire video this time. Couple things leapt out at me.

1) they either have zero clue what FAST teams do and where they're stationed, or they're intentionally leaving it out. (Hint: FAST protects installations and equipment that gets protested against)

2) They to to some length to explain that these tactics can be used against Americans. Ironically enough, that idea can be applied to pretty much anything the military trains in.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I can't believe this shamrock6 dude, put Green Beret and recon marine in the same sentence! ... Army Cav scout...I could see, maybe. But back to topic. The "Regulars" have no bussines training with civilian LEO'S. For any reason. The State militias are more than capable. The failure of the governments to not, properly utilize their "legal" consitutional options. Is no excuse for the Feds to get involved. Katrina was an excellent example of how far the LEO's would go unchecked.... They went farther than the news reported. I seen it. I was one of them, "there to help." This topic should be desturbing to any and every American.

I have heard...that these training exercises...that are happening...within the different branches of the Military are (status quo)...they are normal and happen every year.

So...would someone please explain to me why people think this year is different? What the (hidden agendas) may be?

a reply to: caladonea

Desensitize! It is true this "training" has always been. But it has never been this public. In the past it would have never have been allowed. "They play on your modern, weak, public school educated fears... You can't protect youself and like minded "individuals".You need "uniforms" and authority to do that for you... It's a long story. Now that being an American hasn't been in vogue for some time now.

a reply to: caladonea

So...would someone please explain to me why people think this year is different? What the (hidden agendas) may be?

Because someone said it was on the internet.

There is only one agenda...it's called training.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

Because someone said it was on the internet.

There is only one agenda...it's called training.

Yeah, this comes from the same person who in another thread dealing with this topic claims that 2 civilian helicopters acquired by a sheriff's office in Brevard valued at 7 million both are the same as 8 military helicopters valued originally at 18 million each and which a military database states were sent to Brevard county...

a reply to: caladonea

Military training in the past has pretty much been confined to military/government areas. For the last few years or so they are being done in public areas in conjunction with LEAs (Law Enforcement Agencies) which are also becoming more and more militarized.

Then there are the recent documents which all state these exercises are being done to prepare for civil disturbances within the U.S. Despite the government and military claiming these exercises are aimed to train our military and police for overseas operations.

a reply to: Shamrock6

2) They to to some length to explain that these tactics can be used against Americans. Ironically enough, that idea can be applied to pretty much anything the military trains in.

So now you can take all that other crap back. Watch the video I presented, too. It showed how "specialists" used natural disasters to abuse Americans directly and they weren't protesting anything, just trying to protect their property. Just training…

ETA:

a reply to: intrptr

Nah, won't be taking anything back, nor am I watching your video. I was trained as a combat lifesaver. Also applies to civilian life, were the situation to arise.

Thanks for the attempted bossiness though. Very sassy.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Lets get something straight here, you know nothing, diddly squat, nada, zero, zilch.

People who say that know even less.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: intrptr

Nah, won't be taking anything back, nor am I watching your video. I was trained as a combat lifesaver. Also applies to civilian life, were the situation to arise.

Thanks for the attempted bossiness though. Very sassy.

Its okay to come home and take off your 'combat'. Only one thing worse than endless war and standing armies filled with career soldiers…

You didn't see this coming? You can't have violent civil unrest without # hitting the fan anymore. Who protects the people who are on the receiving end of a violent protester? What about the shop owner who put their life savings in only to have it burnt down? I know there's a thing called posse comitatus and the violence from these protesters are going void that #. How do I feel about it? I'm on the fence. Something needs to be done on one hand but giving into that also leaves it wide open to abuse.

In conclusion, the violent make it easy for them to take more of your rights. Laws are really made for stupid people and they are messing it up for everyone else.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Part of me wonders how naive some people are thinking that the U.S. government would not turn against it's own people. It has happened before with other governments which were implemented and claiming to be there "for the people".

The military doesn't need to train in public areas because that's a show of force against the very civilians that the miltiary is supposed to protect. When a government does military exercises close to a nation that is viewed as an enemy, that is a "show of force". Since the government has been doing, more and more exercises in plain sight of civilians it is obvious the show of force is for civilians.

These exercises are not being done to protect the people, and face it. If you are still in the military and you had the choice to keep your children safe in your house, and fed, you are going to tell me many soldiers will not follow orders to keep their families safe and fed?.

I was in the military, and I know there are still a lot of military personnel who will follow orders to the letter and shoot on Americans civilians if ordered.

From the statement that Obama has the right to use drone strikes in American soil to kill Americans, to "indefinite detention" of Americans without a trial and without the government having to prove that the suspect was going to commit a crime, etc. The U.S. has been turned into a prison camp already.

Eric Holder: Drone Strike To Kill U.S. Citizen On American Soil Legal, Hypothetically
Posted: 03/05/2013 5:11 pm EST Updated: 03/05/2013 11:41 pm EST

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration believes it could technically use military force to kill an American on U.S. soil in an "extraordinary circumstance" but has "no intention of doing so," U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a letter disclosed Tuesday.

Holder's March 4 letter was disclosed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who had asked whether the Justice Department believed President Barack Obama had the legal authority to order a targeted strike against an American citizen located within the United States.
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WASHINGTON -- The U.S. House of Representatives voted again Thursday to allow the indefinite military detention of Americans, blocking an amendment that would have barred the possibility.

Congress wrote that authority into law in the National Defense Authorization Act two years ago, prompting outrage from civil libertarians on the left and right. President Barack Obama signed the measure, but insisted his administration would never use it.
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I used to think none of this was possible, and I used to dismiss the claims that there would be detention camps, or that the U.S. government would turn against it's own people. But it is obvious what is happening except to the most oblivious, and naive of people.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yeah, this comes from the same person who in another thread dealing with this topic claims that 2 civilian helicopters acquired by a sheriff's office in Brevard valued at 7 million both are the same as 8 military helicopters valued originally at 18 million each and which a military database states were sent to Brevard county...

SO tell me how are those 8 military helicopters that weren't bought by Brevard County. That thread was proven wrong then and still is now.

a reply to: intrptr

It showed how "specialists" used natural disasters to abuse Americans directly and they weren't protesting anything, just trying to protect their property. Just training…

I see you have no clue as to why they did what they did in your video do you?

The fact that some people may have been protecting their homes, but with weapons just sitting in someone's house that has evacuated makes for an easy pick for those who may look to steal from those not in their houses.

WHen guns come into play it's better to not let the criminals have the chance at getting weapons that may be used against them or other civilians, but hey if it were up to you...let the criminals rule.

Amazing how a 2 minute video you posts tells the whole story, but I guess to you it does.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Seems you missed something here...

This is not about holding regular citizens not involved in terrorism towards the US, but it is about those who engage in terroristic threats and actions against the US.

It also has provisions that ensure those Americans that are held will face a trial, but of course you researched this a bit more before making your posts right?

"I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama wrote. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My administration will interpret section 1021 [of the bill] in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law."

"I reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat," Obama said. "While section 1022 is unnecessary and has the potential to create uncertainty, I have signed the bill because I believe that this section can be interpreted and applied in a manner that avoids undue harm to our current operations."

www.huffingtonpost.com...

See again your making something of this that really doesn't back the claims you make.

a reply to: intrptr

It's amazing that you can take a comment about training and turn it in to something else entirely.

The funny thing is, in your attempted display of wit and condescension, you really just displayed your ignorance about combat, warfare, and the military in general.

See, those that have been in combat can come home and take it off. They can live a good life, be happy, and so on. Sometimes, some of them can't. But at the end of the day, combat doesn't leave them. Those who have "looked in to the eye of the tiger" can't really change that. And sometimes it still comes back to them, whether it be a certain noise, smell, song, random person's name, or anything else. Sometimes the memories come back in the dead of night.

But it's easy to sit in an ivory tower and say "just take it off" because hey man, you're not still over "there" so like it's cool brah. That dude stepping on an IED and screaming in terror about his legs that have suddenly disappeared happened like 3 years ago man, just forget about it already.

Deny ignorance indeed