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What do you think about Manchurian Candidate? Its definetly possible to do.

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posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 01:58 PM
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What is everyones views on this?

This is certainly possible and can be done.




posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 02:04 PM
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What is the "this" you are referring to, exactly?

Have you seen the original (Frank Sinatra, Angela Lansbury et al)?

Is the "this" executed any differently between the original and the remake? Is there a simple symbolic trigger like a card?

No, it's not as easy to create susceptibility as all that, unless you've been brought up on a diet of action flicks and hypnotist entertainers.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 02:49 PM
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The Manchurian Candidate is by definition the quest to hypnotically control a human to the extent of murder and subsequent amnesia regarding it

The suicide bombers of 9/11 weren't the manchurian candidates but reresent a more effecient process than would be encompassed above. Brain Washed into obedience they no longer need to be controlled.


Take a look at this linkNSA Mind Control and PsyOps

This link proves at the very least that there have been people who have invested time and energy into understanding the human mind and how it can be affected. Why such effort if not for an application? I propose that the emphasis on mind control and hypnosis in our government(I assure you its there) is, for the most part, intent on maintaining the status-quo and the socio-economic structure our nation has set-up.

Any opinions?



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:04 PM
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MKULTRA is very real and still exists.

Done up in Montreal Canada. Funded by the CIA dealing with shock treatment, '___', weeks of forced sleep amoung other things using hookers and street children as well.

The movie Conspiracy Theory was based on this and amazing how many people thought this was all fake too eh...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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Yes amazing how many people think its fake or are unaware of the possibilities. Whats even more remarkable is the nonchalant attitude "people in the know" place on it, as if it's a mere novelty....baffling to me.

Maybe this suggests a corrolating phenomenon in that universal subliminals are being used in T.V., Movies, Radio, etc.. Like I said the reality of this need not cause paranoia per say as the goal is most likely the retention of our current status quo. I prefer, however, to know as much as I can...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by MemoryShock

... universal subliminals are being used in T.V., Movies, Radio, etc..



Can you provide examples of the subliminal messaging that is being used?

There is nothing new in hypnosis, autosuggestion, cognitive behavioral therapy, brainwashing or much else portrayed by Hollywood. But you need to distinguish reality from entertainment.

Subliminal advertising is illegal. Where else will you find instances of the use of subliminal techniques, today? Where specifically?



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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So by you stating Subliminal advertising is illegal, Obviously you think it doesn't happen then and the government or powers that be don't do it or use it.

Its illegal for the CIA to operate domestically but they still do. Everyone knows it. They still do it.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:51 PM
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I have as strong a degree of confidence as anyone can that subliminal advertising does not occur where advertising standards prohibit subliminal advertising. All the monitors of standards need do is look and listen to messages frame by frame, image by image, to uncover the practice.

What are examples outside commercial advertising? Where does the government engage in subliminal programming through mass media, exactly? It's simple enough for the current administration to engage in obfuscation, doublespeak and out-and-out lies to an applauding segment of the electorate. When coupled with fearmongering, that gets desired results with the sheeple just fine, no need for subliminal techniques.

I tend to think few of the questions raised by this topic are going to be answered... you haven't yet defined what "this" is.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by MemoryShock

... universal subliminals are being used in T.V., Movies, Radio, etc..


Can you provide examples of the subliminal messaging that is being used?




You misquoted me. If you'll look at the words that began the sentence you quoted you'll find a "Maybe this suggests". I was trying to establish a corrolation to the attitude of our nations populace towards the existence of mind control.

That said subliminals could in this case be the manipulation of state of mind to create an irrational interest/focus in trivial matters that do not affect our lives what so ever(Who really cares how many times Britney Spears gets married and how much media time gets thrown her way?) Anyway, commercials and T.V. operate on a so many frames per second rate that has been proven to induce a fluctuation between alpha/theta brain wave state - states of mind where trance induction is probable if not possible(
Sadly, I can't provide a link in this instance where I have actually presented info as fact; I'll be doing a google search shortly hereafter)

I'm merely theorizing as I believe some thought is warranted provided there are so many people who refuse to look past their nose.

With regards to the illegality of subliminal messaging, I propose that the existence of such a power is in fact used, but only by the most powerfulful. Is there a commission in place to police its use or not? The much broadcasting of the criminality of subliminals, I believe, is a pacification tactic.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 04:08 PM
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I did a little research into it from a psychological standpoint, and very few people are susceptible to reprogramming to that sort of degree. Yes, they can be reprogrammed... cults have been doing it for years.

The problem is that once you get someone AWAY from the cult/brainwashing situation, they seldom keep the brainwashing. This is particularly true if what you tried to get them to do is really against their fundamental philosophy or beliefs.

Now, if you got ahold of someone who thought they wanted to be an assassin for truth; someone who was very suspicious of the government and disliked it strongly then yes, you could probably convince them into this.

The success of subliminals depends on how susceptible the person is to those. Someone like me, who has a very bad visual system, would be completely oblivious to them.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
I did a little research into it from a psychological standpoint, and very few people are susceptible to reprogramming to that sort of degree. Yes, they can be reprogrammed... cults have been doing it for years.



The premise of a Manchurian Candidate, I believe, is not in the reprogramming, but in a lifelong programming. Not as unlikely to work....



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:00 PM
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There are some interesting thoughts here. Visual systems are not the only ones that can be useful for reprogramming. Hypnosis,regardless of what one may think it is, or is not, is a powerful tool, most particularly considering that it simply boils down to altered states. Altered states are "something" that we, all of us, go into and out of in a constant fashion, even when sleeping.

A good primer would be "Hypnosis and Behavior Modification: Imagery Conditioning" by Doctor William S. Kroger, and Dr. William D Fezler (Ph.D.).

Interestingly, Doctor Kroger was greatly involved in government supported experimentation and investigation into hypnosis, its limitations and uses. I believe that, in the hands of an experienced or properly trained clinician, hypnosis is a much more powerful than many folks have run into. Let's discount the various night club hypnotists and Your Uncle Fred who took an eight week course for commercial hypnotherapy.

Even if you don't believe, it really doesn't matter. It still works and in the hands of an "unscrupulous"* user, it can create some very interesting modalities.

* Unscrupulous meaning here, someone who is using hypnosis the way you don't want them to to achieve some goal different from yours. No moral or ethical negativity implied to any hypnotists/hypnotherapists/reality changers who may read this.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by sigung86
Even if you don't believe, it really doesn't matter. It still works and in the hands of an "unscrupulous"* user, it can create some very interesting modalities.



Very true....



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:23 PM
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Try working in a study on Sociology (how people interact and behave towards each other and their surroundings) and how organizations incorporate a structure of rules to keep their "subjects" under strict control instead of straying away from the rest of the "livestock".
Not only that, but watch CNN, FOXNEWS, HEADLINE NEWS, etc....and you will see that each media giant has their own views and points that pursuades a group of masses to their beliefs. It's not hard to get people to buy into a belief system if it is attractive and popular enough.
Give a man a fish, and you'll only feed him for a day. However, give a man a fish and then teach him how to catch more of his own and he'll soon find a way to sell you directions to an empty pond, while you believe you're about to buy the most fruitful investment of your life.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by AgentBlueBook
Try working in a study on Sociology (how people interact and behave towards each other and their surroundings) and how organizations incorporate a structure of rules to keep their "subjects" .......


I have actually done alot of thinking on this and you're right, social structures are designed for implementation of rules, etc. and there seems to be enough factions to suit whatever your interests are.....

However, let's go ahead and focus on sub-society that would probably be required in order to make feasible a Manchurian Candidate.....What is the liklihood, what would the requirements be, and what could the purpose be?

BTW, really good analogy and one I'll remember



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Well.....

Lets see....Some of the things that would be required for a Manchurian Candidate to surface would actually be the birth of a motive.

This doesn't have to fall into the "lets get the leader of the nation" scenario, but can also be subjugated into overthrowing CEOs, governmental institutions, educational role models, entertainment, military, etc...

Give a man a fish (Tell him the government is corrupt and needs to be fixed). Then teach him how to fish (show him what is corrupt and why, then show him what needs to be done to change it).

Showing could be in the form of training. A structured course in exercising scenarios to make reality the changes being fed to the candidate.

Once the training is completed, throw the candidate out to the wolves and plant the seed of rebellion into the fix. Throw enough candidates out there and you'll have your revolution.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:47 PM
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Defining a potential process for revolution is hardly anything to yawn about. Though your scenario is plausible it seems highly unlikely. I don't believe mind-control is implemented for revolutional purposes; rather the opposite. Big Business and people with even the least amounts of political influence have a vested interest in keeping the status-quo.

One motive you gave, though, the educational role model is highly interesting as I don't completely understand. Care to elaborate?



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:51 PM
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Knowledge is power and the more of it you have, the more power you have over those who don't have it.
Take out the guy who is trying to reform education so that everyone can have a better understanding of how the world works around them, insert someone who is not opposed to controlling who gets to learn what and which institutions get the most funding, then you effectively keep the masses from thinking for themselves.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:53 PM
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Which also might I add harvest a breeding ground for susceptible zombies to mind control. The ignorant masses will not be able to tell when they're being psychologically messed with as opposed to those who know what's going on. Those who know, are usually those in society who have a stake in the world's economy and the benefits thereof.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:55 PM
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Sleepers- The various terrorist groups out there that have sleepers awaiting their instructions/directions/time to act.

Things/ideas can easily be put into peoples minds etc.



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