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Mainstream scientists finally admit global warming has not occurred for 2 decades

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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: here4this
Sorry , try again...oh you are out of tokens. Thank you for playing the game.Did I not say I do not go by maps , numbers. I could set here in photoshop and make the maps look exactly opposite. Too easy. 5 minutes maybe to alter and repost...Look , you can let them take your money in the cost of gasoline , heating and cooling for your home , the price of food , etc. if you want . Follow the crowd . A lot of people did in the 70s with propellants to cure the hole in the ozone . Then in the 80s with freon to cure the hole in the ozone. Guess what . After the skyrocketing prices of propellants , then the absolute thievery that came with the freon , the hole in the ozone layer is still there unchanged. Why dont you hear about it anymore? They got exactly what they wanted . My money and yours. So , now the GW scare is on (that would be the 90s when it started . Looks like every 10 years.) The only problem this time , science is taken a stance against them . No , not in the majority like I would like , but still it is slowing them down from grabbing another chunk of my money .

So, you have no response to any of my points or the refutation of yours beyond claiming the NOAA maps are "photoshoped" and that numbers are a lie.

No realization that Dr. Roy Spencer, climate skeptics' best friend, says that RSS is not showing enough warming.

No denial that you are analyzing from TAXES first and using the idea that TAXES ARE BAD to say that GLOBAL WARMING IS A LIE.

No data that shows this jackpot for carbon taxes.

No realization that your Al Gore talking point is grade-A BS.

You are beyond mere climate denial; you are embracing ignorance.




posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: Cinrad

Well, why didn't you just post the other article then. The fact that newscorp charges people to read something they can read for free, just proves my whole point of there integrity as a news source.

Anyway.......... I'll decline on your offer to debate the facts of human caused climate change with you, I was over trying to convince naive conservatives on this issue over 10 years ago. The only reason I even posted was to inform people that treating 'the Australian' as a credible source on climate change, is the equivalent of taking fox news seriously when they claim the UK is being taken over with sharia law, or that Obama is a Muslim with no US birth certificate.

Fact is, Bob Brown and the greens have been warning us about what good scientists have known since the late 80's, which is humans are effecting global climates. Now everything they warned us about is happening.

Australia had some of the worst heatwaves since records began in 2013. Polar bears are starving in the Antarctic and are regularly being spotted swimming hundreds of kms into the ocean looking for food, because they don't have enough ice to hunt on. It's just the definition of pure arrogance to claim we can release all this pollution into the atmosphere, for so many years and there won't be any negative effects on climate.
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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: Cinrad
Oh please come on. Cherry picked sentences which adjust context ...even worse as reported by a newspaper which , no doubt will have some politcial bias.

If you have something to add to the climate change debate please provide links to ORIGINAL material so that we can avoid trawling through the morass of cherry picking.

All we ever see these days from the anti-gw folks is re quotes of re quotes of cherry picked sentences.

Where is the scientific paper by the scientists with the appropriate qualifications who disagree with the Human climate change theory. FYI, inappropriate qualifications : dentistry, history of english, professor of art , BSc Hons in Armchair Expertise etc etc



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Grimpachi

But that was before the numerous snow storms hit the eastern US states repeatedly. Hard to claim "warming" when snow has covered your 3 story home...3 times in 3 months!


The eastern united states isn't the whole world. Did you look at world wide temperatures in comparison? Because if you had, you'd see that the rest of the world was warmer than usual.

The Only Place It Was Cold This Winter Was The East Coast Of The United States



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Cinrad

The link you provided in your OP is pay-walled. Third reply into your thread gives a different link to what is thought to be the same article, it would be nice if you could confirm whether it is or not.

If it is the same article, which I think it is... then yes you most definitely have completely misunderstood the article, most likely due to some idiot denier blog that told you it meant something it doesn't. There's nothing to admit to, there's been no denial by science that the rate of warming slowed (not stopped) over the past 17 years or so. Science wasn't sure exactly why and still seeks to definitively answer that question.

Your take, if it's even truly your take is just simply another reinforcement of the stick your head in the sand response to global warming that the fossil fuels tyrants keep spoon feeding you through their "think tanks", bought off politicians, bought off "scientists" and "science" bloggers, not to mention their pundits.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

I see you live where its warm all year round. Is it global warming or climate change? I live in Canada and to be honest in the 30 years I've been around. Temperature here is rather normal and I would highly disagree that we need to start f***ing with mother nature more then we already do on a daily basis. Along with making the rich richer is more ludicrous by paying a dumb carbon tax. I would really like to know how that's going to be worded. I want you to pay the government (TPTB) to breathe.....

Really??? It's already bad enough that the scientist group are conflicting with each other on the matter.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: Cinrad
This is the frankest admission yet that the Earth has not been warming for the last 2 decades, and they don't know why not.

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After rejecting its existence for years, climate scientists have in ­recent years proposed a wide range of factors to explain it,



The paper also suggests that decadal climate oscillations were not pushing heat into the deep oceans, another explanation for the “missing heat”


Im not saying we should just burn all the coal and oil on the planet, but I would like to say to global warming (climate change) proponents "you don't know everything and not everybody who disagrees with you is and idiot or a criminal"



Ahh so that's why all the hottest years on record are within the last 10 years, because global warming stopped 20 years ago!!!


How do you yahoos fall for this stuff???



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Cinrad

Forget the argument for a minute.

If some are willing to deny the adverse effects that humanity has had on our planet then where does is stop? It both sides are to believed then your children are screwed one way or another but we have the chance IF we stop this BS arguments because at the end of the day both sides could be wrong unless we acknowledge that WE could lead to our own downfall and work together then we will get nowhere.

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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: KuzKuz




I see you live where its warm all year round. Is it global warming or climate change?


Haven't you heard that our governor doesn't like those terms the acceptable one here seems to be Atmospheric Re-Employment.



I live in Canada and to be honest in the 30 years I've been around. Temperature here is rather normal and I would highly disagree that we need to start f***ing with mother nature more then we already do on a daily basis.


From what I understand Canada is pretty far north so I am just wondering is Canadas permafrost not thawing like Alaska's? BTW I am pretty sure the proposals are to stop f***ing with nature which most people agree that would be a good thing. You know adding c02 to the atmosphere to the environment would be considered to be f***ing with nature.



Along with making the rich richer is more ludicrous by paying a dumb carbon tax. I would really like to know how that's going to be worded. I want you to pay the government (TPTB) to breathe.....


I don't see any use even talking about a tax as long as people deny there is a problem with us adding c02 to the environment. The tax is a political issue not a scientific one.



Really??? It's already bad enough that the scientist group are conflicting with each other on the matter.


For that you will need to give some specifics because it is widely known that there are a few wack a doodles out there that say the science is conflicting while like 96 out 100 scientists in the field say it is settled.

There has always been a few louder than normal types going against the consensus. If you can remember back to the 70s there were only like 4 scientific papers written that called for an impending ice age while the majority of scientists said it was BS and it was going to warm. The sensational ice age got a lot of press while conventional wisdom and science was ignored. Conventional wisdom and science was right and it did warm so here we are and at least one of the authors of that wack a doodle ice age crap is still in the camp of deniers. He was wrong then and wrong now but his views still get a lot of attention from deniers.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: Greven
Sorry , try again...oh you are out of tokens. Thank you for playing the game.Did I not say I do not go by maps , numbers. I could set here in photoshop and make the maps look exactly opposite. Too easy. 5 minutes maybe to alter and repost...Look , you can let them take your money in the cost of gasoline , heating and cooling for your home , the price of food , etc. if you want . Follow the crowd . A lot of people did in the 70s with propellants to cure the hole in the ozone . Then in the 80s with freon to cure the hole in the ozone. Guess what . After the skyrocketing prices of propellants , then the absolute thievery that came with the freon , the hole in the ozone layer is still there unchanged. Why dont you hear about it anymore? They got exactly what they wanted . My money and yours. So , now the GW scare is on (that would be the 90s when it started . Looks like every 10 years.) The only problem this time , science is taken a stance against them . No , not in the majority like I would like , but still it is slowing them down from grabbing another chunk of my money .


Some people talk from them others sit on them.

The ozone hole is a classic example of how long it takes to recoveronce you have stopped screwing up the environment. The hole has not recovered as fast as it took to damage it!!!! what a freaking surprise!!!!!Despite my sarcasm there are anti GW folks who talk as though things are instant. Oh look I stopped using my car yesterday and now it's snowing....... The ozone hole will take several decades to recover. The action we took in the 80's stopped the decline.

Guess what climate change is the same. We have at least a decade maybe two before things starts to change if we went to zero CO2 emissions NOW.

But we won't because politicians in positions of power (therein lies the problem) have the attention span of a tabloid anti GW reader......one paragraph....30 seconds !!!! OK 10 minutes I forgot I have an IQ of 137 so I can read and understand fast.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Grimpachi

But that was before the numerous snow storms hit the eastern US states repeatedly. Hard to claim "warming" when snow has covered your 3 story home...3 times in 3 months!


I see you are having a hard time comprehending the term "global".

Breaking news "it will be cold in the winter and hot in the summer".


Snow in winter in northern latitudes is not a proxy for unusual cold. It is a proxy for water transport, i.e precipitation. And that occurs when humid air which absorbs water (more at warmer temperatures) is advected by physics & energy flows to other locations.

Antarctica central is extremely cold, and extremely dry, precipitation is very low.
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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad

Guess what climate change is the same. We have at least a decade maybe two before things starts to change if we went to zero CO2 emissions NOW.


CO2 emissions? 50-100 years. Carbon would start coming out of oceans and into atmosphere for a while (reverse of now).

Changes in methane and black carbon emissions would be seen more rapidly.

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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: KuzKuz
a reply to: Grimpachi

I see you live where its warm all year round. Is it global warming or climate change?


Climate change as a result of global warming.

Global warming is the physical input (global increase in greenhouse forcing, sky is shining more in infrared), climate change is the consequence, of which global average temperature or heat increase is one symptom.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

Believe me I know how it works, but sometimes to get a message across with some I have found it helps to start with the basics and work from there to figure out where they have gotten lost.

As far as the sarcasm on my part it is something I just can't seem to stop doing.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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It is amazing how everyone of these threads seem to have the side that thinks this is all some grand scheme to tax the air we breathe, i.e. we exhale CO2 which makes it a tax on your breathe and this is a liberal agenda hoax to make Al Gore rich. Forget facts and evidence, just use the emotional response for the average person's dislike of taxes, that is all that is needed for cracking the consensus.

That pretty much sums up the anti-climate change rhetoric, add a few stories from the Heartland Institute and present that as their evidence.

Grimpachi if I recall correctly also notices a trend with the AGW deniers, they also have a difficult time accepting evolution as a valid science, and also want to ban same sex marriage.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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Actually , the facts have came out in the early 2000s. The hole in the ozone layer has always been there and chances are will always be..just another example of wishful science..I too believed (former tree hugging hippy) back in the day that mankind was evil and destroying the earth. Pollution (not naturally occurring CO2 but the real stuff , all kinds of nasty stuff like mercury other heavy metals , etc) . Man was going to chop down all the trees (till later we learned that for every tree they chopped down , the company had to plant 3).I do look around and feel sorry my generation started this . It has gotten wayyyyy out of hand and now most of the good things we did accomplish to keep the air and the earth clean has turned into ways to make money. Look at the so called "green light bulbs" that are supposed to require less energy The price went from 98 cents per bulb to $20 per bulb. Not only that , but the first marketed and sold came with a definitive warning. If you break one shut down the heat and air in your homes , close all vents , and call the HAZMAT team to clean up..this is due to all the mercury they contain. Now when you toss that bulb , where does it wind up ? More important , where does the mercury go ? I can tell you ...in the water table. The good work we started in the 60s and 70s has all went back to day 1 . Now it is all done i the name of "green" to where a larger profit margin can be made with no consideration to the environment . Can you see where I would be skeptical of anything like this?


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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: here4this

You may want to do some fact checking.

Ozone layer is recovering

The hole in the ozone is shrinking. Sure the hole was always there, but man-made products made it worse. Which is no surprise.

Just like CO2 was always in the atmosphere, we are just increasing it at a historically high rate, which is changing our Earth's normal climate.
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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Acatalepsia
There is no global warming. It's also quite difficult to convince someone who lives up north who experiences record breaking lows that seem to break records each year that passes accompanied by long-term severe cold weather.


News flash...in the course of a year it can be both HOT and COLD.

It's called the seasons.

Specifically "up north" continues to see severely and increasingly colder winters because they are now part of the "new" path of the Polar Vortex. As the polar ice cap reduces it's land ice mass (melts) the water that replaces it "ruffles" the winter polar cortex as it swirls around expanding it farther south than before. The surface temperature changes from ice to more water dispurses/disrupts the vortex..thus the colder winters for the northerners who used to duck beneath the now larger polar vortex...

As far as the nonsense we are not warming...


Yet another scientific authority calls 2014 the hottest year on record

every top science agency that has examined this question — NASA, NOAA, the WMO, and the Japan Meteorological Agency — agrees with the conclusion.


www.washingtonpost.com...

No kidding..no joke...the Energy industry hired the same PR guys that argued smoking doesn't cause cancer for decades to feed the climate deniers.

What people are willing to believe in the face of reality always shocks me.

The Science is settled. What is left is vested interests and people so wed to their ideology that they cling to molested stats, false claims etc.
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posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: thesearchfortruth
a reply to: Cinrad

You seem a little off on this....

The article says...

The near two-decade long "pause" in rising average global surface temperatures was a "distraction" that did not change long term model predictions of a much hotter world this century

www.pressreader.com...



I think the fact that their model did not predict this pause speaks volumes about their 'research'. It says two things: Either what many folks have said is true, that is: Global Warming is a political scandal, or their are faults in their research. Both say that global warming is not as bad as the global warming doom porn advocates would have.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: yorkshirelad
Actually , the facts have came out in the early 2000s. The hole in the ozone layer has always been there and chances are will always be..just another example of wishful science..I too believed (former tree hugging hippy) back in the day that mankind was evil and destroying the earth. Pollution (not naturally occurring CO2 but the real stuff , all kinds of nasty stuff like mercury other heavy metals , etc) . Man was going to chop down all the trees (till later we learned that for every tree they chopped down , the company had to plant 3).I do look around and feel sorry my generation started this . It has gotten wayyyyy out of hand and now most of the good things we did accomplish to keep the air and the earth clean has turned into ways to make money. Look at the so called "green light bulbs" that are supposed to require less energy The price went from 98 cents per bulb to $20 per bulb. Not only that , but the first marketed and sold came with a definitive warning. If you break one shut down the heat and air in your homes , close all vents , and call the HAZMAT team to clean up..this is due to all the mercury they contain. Now when you toss that bulb , where does it wind up ? More important , where does the mercury go ? I can tell you ...in the water table. The good work we started in the 60s and 70s has all went back to day 1 . Now it is all done i the name of "green" to where a larger profit margin can be made with no consideration to the environment . Can you see where I would be skeptical of anything like this?




Right on the head.

Just like the OP says, I am all for finding practical alternatives to burning fossil fuels, but it needs to be done the right way and at the right pace. Radical environmentalists and their eco-terrorist buddies would have us believe that if we don't stop using fossil fuels this year, next year water levels are gonna rise by a foot, or other such nonsense. Radicals have hijacked the environmental awarness, and now they are doing it to make a buck, just like the evil capitalists the Liberals are always railing about.



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