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originally posted by: ColeYounger
I agree with you about phoney christians using the Bible as an excuse for their intolerance and ignorance.
I also think that far too many of them know next to nothing about the Bible, a book which they claim
they are basing their lives on. If they were serious, they'd study it seriously and have a real desire for what the Bible's true meaning is.
The ancient texts (Hebrew Bible included) have some fascinating, even mind-blowing stuff in them.
originally posted by: The Vagabond
To play devil's advocate despite my own problems with the bible, I can't help noting that bigots were exceptionally quick at wrapping their ignorance around misused fragments of evolutionary theory when the primarily Christian view of our country started to shift more towards empiricism. Furthermore Christian bigots have used the bible to justify hatred of the very people who the bible identifies as God's favorites.
So there is an argument to be made that the bible merely displays the twisting of morality and reason in the name of egocentrism that we also see in todays culture, but does not cause it. Everyone of every philosophy is subject to stupidity and selfishness and will rationalize it however they can- I think that's all the bible really proves for sure.
Yes but what one believes about is the determining factor to the works that come from that belief ."You shall know them by their works" is a foundation thought .How do we kill when we are told "Thou shalt not kill" . How do we love our neighbor when we fail to act on their needs ? despite their skin colour or or enthinstisy or status in the community ? Faith without works is a dead faith .
You either believe that the Holy Bible is the word of God, or you don't. If it's the word of God then you must believe the entire thing.
It's not a new thing. Bigots in the early 1900's used the bible to justify their racism against blacks.
Here we have "God" telling the Hebrews to spare no consolation to any other tribe of people they meet.
Instead of God telling them to peacefully coexist, they are instead supposed to conquer them completely all because they practice a different religion.
The Bible is a ancient document and needs to be understood as such .Even in modern times we need to take into consideration the type of document we are looking at and understand the context in which it was written .The constitution of the USA cannot be understood in a way that a piece of poetry of fiction of the same time was .You need to let the bible be the bible and not try to understand it in 20th century context because it will lead you astray . We see evidence of this in modern day preachers who are only looking to fleece the flock instead of feeding it in spiritual things .
It still IS, because the bible hasn't changed. All those passages I quoted still appear in any bible you pick up.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: randyvs
So if we listen to what God wants, then Christians should be trying to wage genocide on any non-Christians. After all the non-believers have forsaken God and deserve to die.
Though I think it is funny that you are the second Christian to get offended at the quotes I picked out of the bible. I'm not the one who wrote this crap, it's in YOUR bible. You can try to rationalize it or pretend it doesn't exist, but it is certainly there and is certainly evidence of intolerance. You should probably come to terms with that before addressing my alleged hatred with god (a non-entity).
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: the2ofusr1
Tell that to all the Christians who cite passages from the Bible to justify their intolerance of homosexuals.
So are you saying that it's only Christian doctrine that should not be tolerated ? Where do you get your morals and high ground for what is and is not tolerable ? politicians, lawyers , philosophers ???
You can try to rationalize it or pretend it doesn't exist, but it is certainly there and is certainly evidence of intolerance
12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith...
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: borntowatch
I know as a fact Darwinism was used to justify the execution of Jews in death camps
So? Christians will use anything to promote their scripture based bigotry, even science when it's convenient.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: borntowatch
Star and flag for stating that bigoted actions exist in the bible, thats amazing.
Truly how clever you are at stating the obvious..Now tell me what were the consequences of racism in the bible
Well the passages that I showed had no consequences and were at times commandments from God Himself, so I'd say nothing.
I am truly stunned at how simple and perverted your argument is.
You have no comprehension of the bible at all.
Does it bother you that it is easy to point such nastiness out of your sacred tome?
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Krazysh0t
The Hebrew god was quite intolerant of any other gods and rituals but those he prescribed. Note that I am not making excuses for them. You know how I feel about the Abrahamic religions. I'm just saying, you'll find in most every case, any perceived racism had more to do with the hatred of their religious practices, than their skin, or their nationality. The Ammonites and Moabites are a good example. All they failed to do was give the "chosen people" a drink of water. They failed to recognize, and bow down to God's elect. Racism? The point could be argued I suppose, but here again, it had more to do with God's rivalry with any other gods and religious practices.
I'm not saying that these events didn't breed racism. They did, as you can see in the verses you cited concerning Jesus and the Canaanite woman. What I'm saying is, it all started with religious intolerance, and grew into a stereotypical view of other nationalities from there. So is one better than the other? No. They're both disgusting. But what do you expect from a group of people who see themselves as God's elect, and anyone outside are dogs.