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originally posted by: bullcat
originally posted by: wasaka
originally posted by: bullcat
originally posted by: paradoxious
Now I wonder... if GM owns the vehicle and I only have a license to use, wouldn't GM be responsible to the DMV for title and registration since GM has given me license to use it?
Same way the ehm "your" government has given you the right to use the roads, hence your license.
So you're not allowed to navigate yourself around your country in a mechanised vehicle (or plane for that matter), without a permit.
Can you show me the line in the constitution that explains that?
Source: By Jack McLamb (from Aid & Abet Newsletter):
The "RIGHT" of the Citizen to travel upon the public roadways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a "COMMON RIGHT" which he has under the "RIGHT" to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. See: Thompson v. Smith, supra.
It could not be stated more conclusively that Citizens of the States have a "RIGHT" to travel, without approval or restriction, (license), and that this "RIGHT" is protected under the U.S. Constitution. After all, who do the roadways belong to anyway? The People-At-Large. The following are additional court decisions that expound the same facts:
So why do we have Licenses and tests and checks?
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Irishhaf
This is why I want to buy an antiquated rust bucket, fix it up myself, and fit after market power steering and a couple of other bits and bobs myself, rather than getting hold of some glorified calculator on wheels.
Look at what you get with modern cars:
Keys which run out of battery power randomly, and can cause your car to lock itself down from the engine to the doors, in a most annoying fashion.
Computer assisted brakes, which when they fail can have catastrophic consequences for the lives and well being of drivers, passengers, and indeed other road users and pedestrians.
Plastic bumpers and trim. Awful, just awful. Either chrome, or go home.
Engine management computers, which not only give the manufacturer these idiotic ideas of perpetual ownership over the vehicle, but mean that a person cannot expect to be able to fix their own automobile.
Engine covers with fixings which have heads that only registered dealerships and mechanics can get the driver bits for.
Committee designed, homogenous econoboxes with no soul, flair, or individuality.
With old cars you get:
Keys. Just keys. Good old fashioned keys. You can change the barrels for more secure ones if you want, and add after market security to them for peace of mind, but you will never get locked out of one, because the computer inside the car thinks it is wise to lock the door on you (happens to people all the damned time). Reason? No computer!
Brakes which are mechanically activated by foot pressure, not by some assemblage of computer chips with delusions of their own importance.
Chromium plated, METAL bumpers, which do not crack, chip, or split because they have had too much sun.
An engine, which you can modify, tune, and tinker with to your hearts content, without any problem or limitation beyond the size of the engine bay and the type of engine you have to work with.
A bonnet (or hood for our American cousins), which is the only impediment between the user of the vehicle and the thumping guts of the machine. No silly covers, no stupid rare driver heads required, just a lever inside the vehicle, or a catch under the bonnet itself.
I know which I prefer the idea of.
originally posted by: peskyhumans
I would love to see a modern auto company start making vehicles with no computers attached to the engine. Just use the best tech we have today to make a mechanical gasoline engine like they did back in the 60's and 70's. It would still need a battery to start, it might even have a dashboard radio or even GPS, but you wouldn't need to worry about the computer malfunctioning or a sensor going bad (happens in my car all the damn time). I don't know why modern day vehicles are so dependent upon them, when they only seem to break down more often and cost us even more money. But costing us more money is probably the whole point.
I wonder what a sedan with gasoline engine and no computer would cost? I bet they could get one that costs less than $10,000, especially if they avoided using space age materials like carbon fiber and went with an all steel frame and exterior. Funny Tesla was just saying that their new model III will cost $35,000 and will be affordable to the average american family - I guess by their definition my family isn't average. If I had that much money I would be buying a house with it, and not living with my parents. IMO the model III will be another flop, just like all the other over-priced electric cars before it.
originally posted by: schuyler
If you have ever clicked the "I agree" button at the bottom of a EULA (End User License Agreement, just in you are acronym impaired) then you have already conceded the point. Software is licensed, not sold. Software is increasingly used in mechanical devices to control their operation, and that, also, is licensed, not sold. It's not such a difficult leap.
originally posted by: lordcomac
They don't make money if you don't buy new cars- and they're all owned by the banksters (just like us citizens) so they have no choice but to get up every morning and come up with creative new ways to juice their customers for more money.