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Top 3 controversial figures in history

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posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 11:45 AM
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There are 100's if not 1000's of people past and present who have made a major impact on the history of Earth until this point. Some have done it with honesty and good intentions, but many others have had thier own agenda.

My question is if you had to pick the 3 most controversial figures who would they be and why.

My list:

1) Jesus Christ-Whether you believe he is the son of God or not, he has singlehandely caused more controversary than anyone who has ever lived.

2) Adolph Hitler-Need I say more?

3)Osama Bin Laden-Ongoing




posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 11:55 AM
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I want to be the first to say it....


PRESIDENT BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!



ha ha ha... I beat all you President Bush haters....



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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Intriguing question....

I'd have to exclude Jesus, simply because his existence is even still hotly debated...

I'd certainly agree with Adolf Hitler being in the top three...

I'd add Ahkenaton. Who you ask? He was the father of Tutankhamen, and husband of Nefertiti. He single-handedly turned Egypt up on it's ear, and changed the worship to be one god, redefining even the art of the Egyptians. When he was finally murdered, they attempted (and nearly succeeded) in competely eradicating any memory of him. His tomb items were reworked and included with Tut's, and cartouches of his name were erased.

I'd also add JFK, for reasons such as almost bringing us to the Nuclear War, trying to get us back on a gold standard, and of course, his assassination.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 11:58 AM
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I will agree with the first two, but there are just too many to choose from for the third. What about Atila the Hun or Caeser?

As far as a controversy is concerned, what about all the people that claim Shakespeare was not a real person.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 01:47 PM
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Top three,

Jesus...

Buddah...

Mohammad...

No explainations nessecary...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 02:00 PM
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1. Vlad III , Prince of Wallachia aka Vlad Tepes aka Vlad the Impaler (1443-1476)


Once there was a foreign merchant who was in Vlad's capital city. The merchant left his wagon out, knowing the strict punishment for breaking the law. When he came back to the wagon in the morning he found that 16 ducats were missing. He went to Dracula and told him of the stolen money. Vlad told him he would have his money by sundown. He then told the people that if they did not find the thief then he (Vlad) would burn the city.

On one occasion Vlad is supposed to have invited many beggars to his castle, then burnt it to the ground, killing them all, so that nobody would be poor in his kingdom.

The pamphlets also claim that to massacre more victims at once, he would herd peasants over cliffsides onto beds of spikes below. From these victims he was able to create an infamous "forest of the impaled" surrounding his capital to dissuade any attacking army from invading.

en.wikipedia.org...


2. Dr. Josef Mengele aka Angel of Death (19111979)

Almost all of Mengele's experiments were of dubious scientific value, ignoring the lack of ethics involved, including attempts to change eye color by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations and other brutal surgeries, and in at least one case attempting to create an artificial "Siamese twin" by sewing the vein in two twins together; this operation was not successful and only caused the hands of the children to become badly infected.


en.wikipedia.org...
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3. Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria (1899-1953)

"At night he would cruise the streets of Moscow seeking out teenage girls," Antonov-Ovseyenko has said in an interview. "When he saw one who took his fancy he would have his guards deliver her to his house. Sometimes he would have his henchmen bring five, six or seven girls to him. He would make them strip, except for their shoes, and then force them into a circle on their hands and knees with their heads together. He would walk around in his dressing gown inspecting them. Then he would pull one out by her leg and haul her off to rape her. He called it the flower game."


Beria is also known to have personally tortured and killed many victims of the purges, particularly women.

In 2001 human bones were found concealed behind the kitchen walls when the building was renovated. In the cellars the walls are in places scorched black where, it is said, Beria used a blowtorch to torture confessions out of his victims.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by jeeze louise
My question is if you had to pick the 3 most controversial figures who would they be and why.


Well, I wouldn't really consider Hitler to be a controversial figure. It was pretty cut-and-dry that he was a Bad Man. Controversy implies that there is still a hot debate going on, with fervant believers on either side.

Thus, I'd have to agree with Jesus being one of them.

So my list...

1.) Jesus of Nazareth - His existance, the religion he came from versus the religion he started, to the religion it became, and all the steaming morass that followed... this is by far the most controversial figure I can think of.

2.) Aleister (Alexander Edward) Crowley - Another very controversial figure. Some think he was full of excrement, and a charlatan, others are convinced he was one of the most enlightened demonologists of the age. Yet more debate follows as to whether he was evil, or just very cynical with an odd sense of humor.

3.) Three-way tie: Jack the Ripper, John F. Kennedy's REAL assassin, and Elvis - For obvious reasons...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by jeeze louise
There are 100's if not 1000's of people past and present who have made a major impact on the history of Earth until this point. Some have done it with honesty and good intentions, but many others have had thier own agenda.

My question is if you had to pick the 3 most controversial figures who would they be and why.

My list:

1) Jesus Christ-Whether you believe he is the son of God or not, he has singlehandely caused more controversary than anyone who has ever lived.

2) Adolph Hitler-Need I say more?

3)Osama Bin Laden-Ongoing


Jesus, Mohammad, Buda. The leaders of the major religions.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 02:27 PM
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I think an argument can be made for Hitler being controversial.

Many who followed him saw him as the savior of Germany. Indeed, he raised national pride to an impressive high following their defeat in WWI, and led the nation to become one of the world's most impressive powers at the time.

He also made huge strides in medicine, albeit through the deaths of innocents.

Since there is good with the (overwhelming) evil here, I think the case for controversy can easily be made.

Was he a mad-man? or a genius? The case could easily be argued for either... Even the man's death is shrouded in controversy....

[edit on 21-12-2004 by Gazrok]



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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I think Hitler was a high strung military genius who gradually sunk into madness!



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:21 PM
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Good topic. Mmm.....OK:

1 Jesus - Self explanitory

2 Gheorghe Zamfir - Tha Pan Flute Virtuoso

3 Garfunkel - I mean, what was this guy thinking?



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:38 PM
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What is a "controversial figure"?

Does that imply one who is often talked about because he or she has been misunderstood or has created division of opinion?

Or does it imply controversy about whether the figure even existed?

I think some cases are too clear cut as "villains" or "idols" to fall into a class of controversial figure. If someone is universally accepted as a good guy or a bad guy then they aren't all that controversial, it seems.


So for controversial "figures" I would submit:

1. God, the almighty Creator - known by many names, and having many global wars and oppressive regimes and laws and codes of social conduct created in his or her name

2. Jesus Christ, believed to be "Son of God" by up to 28% of the global population at times

3. Michael Jackson, self-proclaimed King Of Pop, who divides opinion around the world on adult-child relationships every day.

A close fourth:

4. The Missing Link, to irrefutably support Charles Darwin, himself a figure who sprouts much controversy which might place him in the top 40 "controversial figures" of written recorded history.


George W Bush and his administration are a boil on the bum of history and don't inspire much at all. Dick Cheney is probably a figure with more impact over time, but his dealings are so secret and shady as to be discussed in hushed tones. Is that controversy?





posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 04:05 PM
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''I'd have to exclude Jesus, simply because his existence is even still hotly debated'

ummm this isn't still debated, it's fact that a person we know as jesus (yeshua ben yosef) was on earth around 2000 years ago. i would also put him as the most controversial because he is known by almost every person who lives today and has probably caused more arguements than one cares to think about '

definatly hitler has to be there, and as a 3rd i would probably say bush. the war with iraq was one of the most controversial acts in the last few years...but bin laden also comes a close 4th.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 04:08 PM
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Controversial...Churchill was a controversial man His drinking and even drug abuse for one and being a narcicist the other...

JFK...prvents total global destruction by handling the Cuban missile crisis while being high on speed and the rest of his womanizing adventures,etc.

Keeping it within the last 40 years I'd add Cicciolina for good measure,top porn actress who made it into politics in Italy..how more controversy you need...there are countlees more..
About count Vlad,you know that the impalings were done differently to what the wikipedia picture shows..It were rectal and the people would be kept alive by evoiding damadge to internal organs.The poles where over 4mt in lenght,and they would pop out at the back of the neck...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by jeeze louise
I think Hitler was a high strung military genius who gradually sunk into madness!


I would say he was a political genius and a genius of propoganda but not not even close to a military genius.

He broke a Non-Agression pact with Russia and vastly underestimated the strength of the Red Army and Russia's ability to mass produce arms.He started he war to early in 1939 instead of waiting until 1945 as his general staff wanted. The germans create a unmatched fighter jet and Hitler decides to turn it into a bomber and out fitts them with huge bombs that slows them down so they lose most of their advantage. I could go on and on but point is clear.



Political leaders should focus on politics not wars he had great generals that he didnt listen too.


Odd

posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 04:58 PM
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If Hitler had been any kind of genius, he would never have attacked Russia when he did... any history book can tell you that Napoleon Bonaparte made the same mistake, and paid the same price.

And what about Normandy? If he hadn't been a drug addict, the Axis forces at Normandy would have included far more artillery... but Hitler fell asleep at an inopportune moment, and the order never got through.

He was no genius... he was an evil, if charismatic, son of a b!tch.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Political leaders should focus on politics not wars he had great generals that he didnt listen too.


Could not agree more. Same thing happened to the US in Vietnam. Politicians should leave the wars to the field commanders.



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 02:51 AM
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1. Sir. Charles Darwin
2. George W. Bush
3. Christopher Colombus



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 06:49 PM
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1. larry
2. mo
3. curly



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by jeeze louise
I think Hitler was a high strung military genius who gradually sunk into madness!


Correction: He was a military idiot. He would have won the war if he were a military genius. He was actually a political genius. The little corporal had nothing when it came to the military.



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