Large Scale Study Fails to Find Correlation Between MMR Vaccine and Autism (Again)

a reply to: GetHyped
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For instance, the organization that conducted the study is the Lewin Group, a corporate healthcare consulting firm based in Falls Church, Virginia. The Lewin Group works with a wide range of players in the medical establishment. Most notably major pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson and Novo Nordisk among others. It should be noted that at least two out of these three corporations are not only vaccine proponents, they are vaccine manufacturers. The Lewin Group also works with a number of major medical and pharmaceutical associations and organizations like the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America association.

In addition to working with the federal, state and local governments, the Lewin Group works with a variety of foundations such as the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Heritage Foundation as well as a large number of hospitals, health systems, and healthcare providers. The Lewin Group is especially involved in major medical insurance programs like Blue Cross Blue Shield, Health Now New York, LA Care Health Plan, Kaiser Foundation Health Plan and Wellcare among many others.

My brother received a vaccination around the mid 1960s ... My Mother says it was it was MMR ... and a month later received a booster shot ... to which had an adverse reaction ... Constantly banging the side of his head /ear ... He was taken to the local doctor who told my mother he had a middle ear infection ... then prescribed a daily series of penicillin jabs over the course of approximately a week ...

On receiving the last penicillin shot he suffered a very severe "Fit" and was rushed into hospital and dismissed from hospital a week later ... The reason for his dismissal being that he had "German Measles" and the Ward Matron did not want it to spread.

Up until the vaccination and penicillin ... He had been walking and beginning to talk ... But stopped walking and also talking and constantly banging his head on the floor or wall or whatever was to hand ... of course my parents and us brothers would prevent him from doing this as best we could ...

My Mother and Father were at their wits end ... it was a truly terrible time for all the family ... and affected us all greatly each in their own way ... Indeed recalling those times now I feel very upset and also angry at the stupidity of the medical ones responsible ...

My Mother took my brother to many doctors and specialists to find out what had happened to my brother and what was wrong with him ... She recalls being fobbed off every time until one specialist told her " I am very sorry to tell you this but your son is severely mentally handicapped ...

My Mother then became very ill with Chrohns Disease we nearly lost her several times but for a world leading pioneer in that field of study intervened and took her under his wing so to speak.

My brother continued to display his obvious pain ... banging his head and biting when we intervened ... He was prescribed a very heavy Barbiturate daily ...

Today however he has better meds which keep him problem free ... He does not talk and is in a wheelchair now ... But he communicates in his own way .... I have skipped many other things regarding my brother for the sake of keeping to the point I wish to make

My brother is considered Severely Autistic now ...
His immune system was still developing then comes the vaccine and on top of that the Penicillin

I know my Mother is probably mistaken about the vaccine being MMR as far as I am aware as it was not intoduced in 1970s

But my point still stands ... He was a normal developing child until the vaccination which he had an adverse reaction to ... then pumped full of Penicillin and threw a fit ... But I say he was brain damaged by the medical profession

a reply to: artistpoet

My brother received a vaccination around the mid 1960s ... My Mother says it was it was MMR ... and a month later received a booster shot ... to which had an adverse reaction ...

How is it possible that he received a vaccine that didn't exist at the time?

the three vaccines (for mumps, measles, and rubella) were combined in 1971 to become the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine.[2]

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a reply to: Grimpachi

read the whole post

a reply to: Grimpachi

Well you obviously have not read the entire post and jumped straight in

So your comment is as valid as chocolate fireguard

a reply to: artistpoet

I did.

I just found it curious that you said your mother was "probably mistaken". I think we can be pretty certain that she was mistaken.

What else can we be certain was mistaken about it all?


We know his illness wasn't from the MMR. Have you guys ever checked to see if he was allergic to penicillin because he didn't have a reaction to the first shot of whatever it was, but it is said the second one a month later was a booster which would have been the same thing that didn't affect him.

A lot of things about the story do not add up.

a reply to: Grimpachi

but it is said the second one a month later was a booster which would have been the same thing that didn't affect him.

It was the booster shot that he had a reaction to plus the penicillin was obviously a system over load to which he reacted

a reply to: Grimpachi

A lot of things about the story do not add up.

What do you mean by that ...

a reply to: Grimpachi

I just found it curious that you said your mother was "probably mistaken". I think we can be pretty certain that she was mistaken.

What else can we be certain was mistaken about it all?

So you object to the word "Probably" ... then go on to insinuate she my Mother is lieing ...
And who is "We" speak for yourself ... My Mother is far from a liar ...

Your lack of empathy is disgusting

My brother was normal until the medical profession pushed their drugs upon him

a reply to: artistpoet

Calling someone "mistaken" doesn't mean you are calling them a liar. It means that your mother is misinformed and is spreading that misinformation like it is the truth. You mother doesn't think she is lying, but she isn't working with a full deck of cards so to say.

a reply to: artistpoet

You are the only one who has said anything about lying.


Either your lost your composure and jumped to a conclusion or you are purposely misrepresenting what I said.


Your mother s wrong about the MMR that is a certainty it doesn't matter how you dress it up. Unless she can time travel which I am sure you are not implying.

BTW can you at least try to get your thoughts in one post. You can edit if you feel the need.


I will say it again the story doesn't add up. If there is one known falsehood then the possibility of others is statistical.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I will say it again the story doesn't add up. If there is one known falsehood then the possibility of others is statistical.

I assure you it is not a story it is the truth and still you insinuate "Falsehood" my Mother is lieing
What else do you think is a "falsehood" and why does the story not add up... explain

a reply to: artistpoet

You must not have read Krazyshots post because he already explained it.


Or you did read it and you want to play the victim now with the "liar routine" instead of actually discussing her story.

I am not interested in playing that game.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree She was mistaken and there are reasons why
It was probably how I posed my initial question to her

However this post is not about MMR but is related
Look I am being honest and perhaps am not coming across well

But what are your thought on the series of events I have written about

a reply to: Grimpachi

You must not have read Krazyshots post because he already explained it.

Yes I initially missed Krazy's post

I am not playing victim ... I admit to being upset recalling the events and losing my composure
But do wish to have an intelligent discussion ... My claim is my brother was brain damaged

Will take a deep breath and welcome your view/s

a reply to: artistpoet

I've already told you my thoughts on the series of events. You (and your mother) are trying to say that correlation equals causation because you see one example of anecdotal evidence (insufficient sample size for statistical analysis) and are using that example to try to override valid, scientific studies that DO have sufficient sample sizes for statistical analysis.

The vaccine given to your brother isn't even the right vaccine that this conspiracy theory revolves around. So with that said, you are inserting your own facts into the narrative to try to make it align with the conspiracy theory. I, personally, don't think you are trying to be dishonest by doing it though. I do think you just want answers, but I don't think you are going about finding them the right way.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I, personally, don't think you are trying to be dishonest by doing it though. I do think you just want answers, but I don't think you are going about finding them the right way.

Thank you ... Yes of course I want answers ... as to what truly caused my brothers brain damage ... any suggestions

a reply to: artistpoet

Many babies appear totally normal until later, it doesn't mean the vaccines caused it many kids who do not have the vaccines also become autistic.
We don't know the causes of autism but they are probably a combination of environmental,genetic or viral things.
But many tests have been done on vaccines and every reliable paper I have at least seen do not suggest any correlation to them and autism.

a reply to: artistpoet

What type of sensory functions does he live in? for example I look after a guy who gets his stimulus and his world surroundings by touch he is hyper sensitive to touch and interacts with the world through touch.
Another it is a combination of touch and smell, is your brother like any of my guys?.

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I, personally, don't think you are trying to be dishonest by doing it though. I do think you just want answers, but I don't think you are going about finding them the right way.

Thank you ... Yes of course I want answers ... as to what truly caused my brothers brain damage ... any suggestions

Are you prepared to accept that maybe it happened in the womb?