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Large Scale Study Fails to Find Correlation Between MMR Vaccine and Autism (Again)

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posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree I speak to quite a few parents of people with autism and some have told me that they appeared normal healthy babies until much later, of course it does depend a lot on which side of the spectrum they are on, many don't get diagnosed till there teens.
One chap maybe the most autistic guy I know was brought to the attention of doctors when he was at the learning to walk stage and he just would not do it, they first thought he had something wrong with his back so only after a while did they test him for autism...but that was 40 years ago and diagnoses have gotten better and the rise is to do with the spectrum increasing.




posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Unless a doctor SPECIALLY diagnosed that the vaccine caused the autism then you are falsely correlating a bad event to an unrelated event. The MMR vaccine DOESN'T cause autism, there is no confirmed link. Your anecdotal evidence is just that. Anecdotal.


So the condition my brother was left in was diagnosed as Severe Autism ... The specialists words not mine
As far as anecdotal is concerned ... I have relayed facts only ... and to repeat


Facts or not. It is still an anecdote and NOT scientific evidence.


At 18 months my brother a normal developing child was given the MMR shot
Later the same day he suffered convulsions ...
The manufacturer of the Vaccine Merck ... state that Fibril Convulsion can occur in a small percentage of cases


The seizures may well have been caused by the vaccine. It's not unheard of. I'm not denying that they happened or were caused by it. I AM however denying that the vaccine caused the autism. 18 months is within that 2 year window that autism can take to show in a baby.


The convulsions rendered my brother vegetative and non responsive ... he was taken to various doctors and specialists to ascertain what had occurred ... they diagnosed Severe Autism


No the convulsions didn't do that, the late onset autism that he ALWAYS had did that.

ETA: Look. I can understand that autism sucks and is tough to deal with, and that can lead you to want to find a reason for it. But sometimes people just get dealt a bad hand. It is what it is.
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posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Unless a doctor SPECIALLY diagnosed that the vaccine caused the autism then you are falsely correlating a bad event to an unrelated event. The MMR vaccine DOESN'T cause autism, there is no confirmed link. Your anecdotal evidence is just that. Anecdotal.


So the condition my brother was left in was diagnosed as Severe Autism ... The specialists words not mine
As far as anecdotal is concerned ... I have relayed facts only ... and to repeat

At 18 months my brother a normal developing child was given the MMR shot
Later the same day he suffered convulsions ...
The manufacturer of the Vaccine Merck ... state that Fibril Convulsion can occur in a small percentage of cases

The convulsions rendered my brother vegetative and non responsive ... he was taken to various doctors and specialists to ascertain what had occurred ... they diagnosed Severe Autism




I'm interested to know if they said that MMR vaccination caused convulsions, caused autism? and let your family believe that the one event, caused the other event, or if they diagnosed as autistic after the convulsions because they were looking more closely. I also didn't realize that they could diagnose autism in children that young, thanks for the knowledge!



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

If he had already got Autism then why would he suddenly regress from being an alert and apparently normal child to become vegetative and unresponsive the same day as receiving the MMR shot

Are you saying it was mere co incidence



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: Krazysh0t

If he had already got Autism then why would he suddenly regress from being an alert and apparently normal child to become vegetative and unresponsive the same day as receiving the MMR shot

Are you saying it was mere co incidence



It may be possible that the seizures triggered the autism that was already within him. Instead of jumping to conclusions, you could have researched this.
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posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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I'm interested to know if they said that MMR vaccination caused convulsions, caused autism? and let your family believe that the one event, caused the other event, or if they diagnosed as autistic after the convulsions because they were looking more closely. I also didn't realize that they could diagnose autism in children that young, thanks for the knowledge!


Merck state that the MMR vaccine can cause Febrile Convulsions in a very small number of cases.
The NHS state that Febrile Convulsions do not cause any permanent damage

My brother was originally diagnosed as Mentally Retarded ... this is a blanket term ... back then in the 1960s Autism was not a common diagnosis ... However the doctors/specialists defined Mental Retarded as Severe Autism in my brothers case

What I really would like to know is what did cause his obvious regression from being alert and seemingly normal to being unresponsive and vegetative at the time (co-incidently or not) of of him receiving the MMR shot



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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Regressive autism


Regressive autism occurs when a child appears to develop typically but then starts to lose speech and social skills, typically between the ages of 15 and 30 months, and is subsequently diagnosed with autism.[1] Other terms used to describe regression in children with autism are autism with regression, autistic regression, setback-type autism, and acquired autistic syndrome.[2] There is no standard definition for regression,[2] and the prevalence of regression varies depending on the definition used.[3] Some children show a mixture of features, with some early delays and some later losses; and there is evidence of a continuous spectrum of behaviors, rather than a black-and-white distinction, between autism with and without regression.[3]


Causation Controversy

Regression in autism spectrum disorders is well documented; attribution of regression to environmental stress factors may result in a delay in diagnosis.[4] The apparent onset of regressive autism is surprising and distressing to parents, who often initially suspect severe hearing loss. The pattern of symptoms naturally leads many to suspect that postnatal environmental factors trigger autism. Although a rancorous controversy has escalated since the earliest reports of a possible link began to surface in the 1980s, no link has been found with vaccines.[6] There are also studies being done to test if certain types of regressive autism have an autoimmune basis.[1]



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet

So it was the sixties when your brother was first diagnosed?.



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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If this happened in the 60's then it wouldn't have been the MMR vaccine. It may have been one of the three that he received but the combination vaccine wasn't available until the 70's.



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:53 AM
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It may be possible that the seizures triggered the autism that was already within him. Instead of jumping to conclusions, you could have researched this.


At the time my family took my brother to several specialists ... they trusted the integrity of the specialists
Non of the specialists as far as I know suggested what you have ... though I will ask my Mother further when I see her next and let you know

As for researching we trusted the specialists ... back then in the 1960s there was no inter net ...

But as far as my family concerned ... they were too busy picking up the broken pieces and dealing with immediate situation

Also back then there was much prejudice against so called "Mentally Retarded" people
As a child I faced constant and cruel ridicule ... it affected all my family each in their own way ... I became very reclusive ... another brother became very aggressive constantly fighting ...
I am glad this attitude has changed somewhat



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

Yes
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posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: GAOTU789

I agree it was 1971..before that it was separate vaccines.
So Artist it was not the MRR vaccine....
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posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet

So to sum up, you didn't have the ability to thoroughly research the cause and thus performed your own diagnosis in lieu of any evidence, just an appearance of correlation, and decided it was the vaccine. I imagine that you didn't jump to this conclusion until after the 90's had started (30 years later) and this conspiracy theory was starting to gain traction.



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting that rates of autism have continued to increase in Japan and they discontinued it some time ago..



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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So to sum up, you didn't have the ability to thoroughly research the cause and thus performed your own diagnosis in lieu of any evidence, just an appearance of correlation, and decided it was the vaccine. I imagine that you didn't jump to this conclusion until after the 90's had started (30 years later) and this conspiracy theory was starting to gain traction.


What I am saying is I do not know ... but yes the stories that came out seemed to offer some sort of explanation
As I saw the same story repeated many times by parents of Autistic children



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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If this happened in the 60's then it wouldn't have been the MMR vaccine. It may have been one of the three that he received but the combination vaccine wasn't available until the 70's.


Yes perhaps I am confused ... I was 11 at the time ... It is something my Mother does not like to talk about much as what is done is done ... but I will ask her about the separate shots more ... I am sure you'r correct
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edit on 23-4-2015 by artistpoet because: Typo



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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OK boymonkey ... thanks for that

I would really like to know but my Mother is the only surviving parent and I hate upsetting her
So perhaps I best leave it as it is



posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: camain


Or maybe someone who saw there baby girl change overnight after getting vaccinated can't be swayed by some jackass doing whatever theory using statistics a that can be swayed one way or another.


Vaccines are given to children on a schedule, so most kids will be around the same age when they get the MMR vaccine.

How do you know that autism is not genetic, and that the onset of autism just happens to coincide around the time children get their MMR vaccines?

To me, I think that is the most likely answer.

If these vaccines actually caused autism, then they would most likely cause autism in every child that receives them, but that is not the case--Which makes me think that, maybe autism is genetic.

Even if Vaccines caused autism, you have to pick between the lesser of two evils--do I want my children to contract a disease that could either kill them, or leave them permanently disfigured--or do I want a 25-year-old child protected from dangerous diseases but who also watches My Little Pony?

I mean, if my child's only options were death/disfigurement or autism, I would most likely choose autism.
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posted on Apr, 23 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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The backlash against anti vac is that it puts people in danger. There are too many people doing their own "research" and disregarding all the evidence to the contrary. My friend on the spectrum certainly hasn't become higher functioning since adopting a better diet, but that's anecdotal. The choice would have remained, but many countries are now making vaccinations mandatory and at this point I'm hoping that America does as well. People are creating a public health crisis by not vaccinating, full stop, that's the evidence we have to work with. There's no reasoning with the anti vac movement, and as such we'll be faced with the choice to take away a personal freedom or create a public health crisis. There's, unfortunately, no middle ground. I'm sure, should there ever be a proven incident where a vaccine directly causes harm it'll be actionable, and there are plenty of research labs looking for anything that would allow that kind of money. Nobody would be able to shut something this big down. Just gotta go with the best science available. There are few true situations where one persons actions affect another, but this is one of them, so your individual choice there is no longer a right. The only reason it's OK for anyone not to vaccinate is on religious grounds, which has been an abused legislation since it's inception. I'll vote for whoever stops this nonsense.



posted on Apr, 24 2015 @ 01:56 AM
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Six Month-Old Baby Dies Just Five Days After Receiving 13 Vaccines

Imagine being emotionally blackmailed by your doctor to have your baby vaccinated with a lethal cocktail of 13 vaccines, which included two doses of the DTaP, three doses of the oral rotavirus vaccine and two doses of the polio vaccination. It sounds impossible, doesn’t it?

However, this is exactly what happened to Alisa Neathery when she took her six month-old unvaccinated baby to the doctor for the first time.
vactruth.com...

so just coincidence? or could it be the vaccinations are at fault for this death?



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