There Can Be No God If We Truely Are Part Of a Multiverse..

a reply to: coldkidc

I thought i made a pretty good argument against it.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Unless God is somehow apart of that infinite concept. And you cannot understand it because of your limited human knowledge and wisdom. Even Einstein came to the end of the road when it came to the understanding of deeper knowledge and once he established e=mc2, couldn't help but realize that humans came across a stumbling block with their knowledge that they just would not be able to conceive certain things. Just like a cat can not learn math and apply it, himans can not possibly understand everything of the universe because we have limitations. That's why you will never be able to understand how the universe came into existence without a creator. You will choose to not believe a god, for whatever personal side noted reasons, even with design and mechanisms in creation around us, and choose to follow a pattern of thinking that takes greater faith and hope to believe in. Because there is no answer where humans are looking in their own.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Unless God is somehow apart of that infinite concept. And you cannot understand it because of your limited human knowledge and wisdom. Even Einstein came to the end of the road when it came to the understanding of deeper knowledge and once he established e=mc2, couldn't help but realize that humans came across a stumbling block with their knowledge that they just would not be able to conceive certain things. Just like a cat can not learn math and apply it, humans can not possibly understand everything of the universe because we have limitations. That's why you will never be able to understand how the universe came into existence without a creator. You will choose to not believe a god, for whatever personal side noted reasons, even with design and mechanisms in creation around us, and choose to follow a pattern of thinking that takes greater faith and hope to believe in. Because there is no answer where humans are looking in their own.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

...YOU'RE good...

a reply to: Sump3

Ugh. Who would WANT a job like that?

a reply to: MysterX

There Can Be No God If We Truely Are Part Of a Multiverse..


What?

That is like saying there can be no developers if there is more than one World Of Warcraft game server!


LOL

Is it possible that the "god particle" , the Higgs-Bosun is God? The particle that is stated to have possibly created dark matter and energy , plus giving mass to particles (among other things). As this particle is (theoretically) directly connected to gravity and latest theories states gravity may transfer from universe to universe in the multiverse . And it is written that God (whichever deity) exists in all things . Just setting here going over religion and Quantum physics....

There have been conspiracy theories and speculation by some people that CERN is trying to bring about the 'end times' and the 'antichrist'. I don't think anything ever really ends, not really.

originally posted by: gottaknow
a reply to: Sump3

Ugh. Who would WANT a job like that?

be interesting to hang out and talk with the dude, though.

Descriptions of the Universe, describe it as ALL of existence. No matter how many subsets of the existence you create (Solar System-to-galaxy-to-clusters of galaxies and so forth all the way to separate space/time bubbles) all of it would still fall under the concept 'Universe'. Nothing you've said here, makes it beyond the reach of any one deity to be the source of.

Infinite does not necessarily equal all. If there is a multiverse there's nothing preventing all universes in the multiverse from having certain standards of reality that always applies, where certain things are just never possible. Just because there are infinite universes does not mean some of them suddenly must be capable of being magic universes.

a reply to: Puppylove

For example, with infinite time, with infinite pieces of paper, with infinite blue and green crayons, I can make infinite pictures all different, but never will any of those pictures be red, pink, or orange.

So too with the multiverse, no matter how many there are, if there are physics they all share that limit them, it will remain true throughout. There is no reason to assume that because there are infinite universe, they must all have infinite colors of crayons to paint with. Infinite does not need to exist in infinite dimensional forms to be infinite.

originally posted by: MysterX
A Multiverse, more or less due to an infinite number of Universes, can by definition, lead to at least some of these 'pocket' Universes having been created as a direct intention, as a consequence of, or otherwise brought into existence by God..any God.

A Multiverse is theorised to contain an infinite quantity of Universes..each within their own 'Universal bubble', insulating and isolating each Universe and preventing collisions and other ill effects that may result from a Universal merging or straying too close to one another.

In an infinite Multiverse (or even an infinite Universe), there MUST be infinite possibilities. The infinite potential for an infinite diversity of..anything.

Anything must be possible.

That also includes the notion that in an infinite Multiverse, or indeed an ordinary, common-or-garden Universe..that there must exist the possibility that a God had no part of it's creation, instead the Universe existing by some other unknown method.

What i'd like you to consider is...it is entirely within probability, if we live in an infinite Universe, or are just one of an infinite number of Universes, that our Universe may be among those Universes not created by a Deity of some description?

Because there must be at least one...

Absolutely ridiculous postulation. There is no way to prove or disprove god and men many times smarter have tried.


Metaphysics is a dark ocean without shores or lighthouse, strewn with many a philosophic wreck.

Immanuel Kant

People's concept of what infinite means is silly and ignorant. They hear infinite and apply every dimension to it at once, which is not how it works.

Say something is infinitely long, it is not then also by definition infinitely wide and tall, just long, forever.

Saying there are infinite universes, does not necessity that every universe that can be conceived of must in turn exist.

originally posted by: Puppylove
People's concept of what infinite means is silly and ignorant. They hear infinite and apply every dimension to it at once, which is not how it works.

Say something is infinitely long, it is not then also by definition infinitely wide and tall, just long, forever.

Saying there are infinite universes, does not necessity that every universe that can be conceived of must in turn exist.

And its not empirical its theoretical. There is no evidence to suplort the claim. Very much like the proof god exists. I actually think until we learn more the finely tuned universe has more empirical evidence than any argument thus far presented.

a reply to: infolurker

There are not enough stars in the universe to put on that comment.

a reply to: MysterX

An interesting problem with any time one states that "There can be no God if...." is that there can be no God as that person definines God - true enough... But -

To another person God may BE the multiverse!

Both are right using their own definition of "God".

Just try to standardize the definition of "God" - Good Luck with that!

If you believe in god as something material. Then the answer is yes, there is universe without god. But I think god exists above universe, he lives in a place that we humans can't understand and I think he is infinitive. Also I think there are more gods.

They maybe interact, but we humans will never see a world ruled by other God and how his actions have impact on that world. Same as our god have no impact on that world.

Imagine there is a whole new dimension where only gods exists and we humans are just part of the god.

Something like microns are part of our body.

There are beliefs that our souls exists to experience multiple lives in multiple timelines (using us as a window into this reality) ... or a multiverse as scientist call it today. They believe that souls exists on a dimension or level above the multiverse, thereby enabling them to experience infinite realities. These people also believe that there maybe a super-soul that connects all these consciousness together, "the all knowing" or "the central command" .... kind of like ... you know ... a God.

a reply to: Puppylove

Infinity goes in every direction, it has no end, it has no barrier, it is infinitely beyond any combination, possibility that can be thought of, IT IS and its a wild card. There is not 1 infinite thing, or a line as you suggested. Instantly and forever in the now, there would be in every conceivable possibility and probability, all things related and all things unrelated, in ways you can't even begin to imagine. It has no bounds, limits, barriers and is beyond.

There are infinities within and without all things, and they're equally endless. The infinite potential within a grain of sand, is equal in endless volume to that within a star, and to the endless infinity without both.

We are all equal parts of infinity, and infinite within.

Not only is it beyond any barrier or limit, such a line, that would try to impose, but any such limit is finite.