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Ahhh damn... Can I gat a amen?

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posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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He's good....

Preacher of a different kind talks about the "in crowd" and the "out crowd"...

Do the in crowd control the out crowd to a degree that the out crowd actually protect the in crowd?

Words of truth? He is definitely on a par. I'm only ten minuets in and will be back to comment more when I have seen it through.

This one will go down well.





posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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I'm only about 8 minutes in and I'm really liking what he's saying. Very logical and to the point. Those who are at the top create belief systems then use them to take advantage of those who believe. It's been happening all throughout history and even today
ALL religions and their doctrines are used to bind/blind people to the truth.

S&F



posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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Well all the racism was by his logic a allegory, but he himself was taking it literally, which is where it all went wrong for me, especially after professing at the start that taking the allegory literally was the whole problem.


Just a different kind of bible bashing preacher. Lol



posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Yeah, I think most would agree with the first 10mins or so...




posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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So... the question is: Is the story of Abraham an allegory or not?

Looking forward to some knowledgeable responses to this.

The racism and the reality of the 'in-crowd' ruling the 'out-crowd' is pretty much standard fare throughout the millennia, so those bits I can really understand

Too bad the video is cut off just before the most important statement is made. Pity.



posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 11:42 PM
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Here ya go.

Amen.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: masqua


Looking forward to some knowledgeable responses to this.


It would seem that the preacher took the Galatians verse a bit out of context.


Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.
23 His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
24 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

Galatians 4:21-24 NIV

A normal reading wouldn't result in the reader concluding that Paul was indicating that the Abraham story was allegory, but rather the circumstances of the two women could viewed as an allegory.

There may also be some misunderstanding about the preacher's presentation, in that he wasn't having the Bible verses read in chronological order. The OP wrote:


Well all the racism was by his logic a allegory, but he himself was taking it literally, which is where it all went wrong for me, especially after professing at the start that taking the allegory literally was the whole problem.

Which indicates some confusion. The race(family tree) genocide is not taken as allegory.

Deuteronomy 7 New International Version (NIV)

Driving Out the Nations

7 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girga#es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

This is not allegory. This is Law: unambiguous, straightforward, easily understood Law.

I would argue that this was actually written several centuries after it supposedly was, and that the Exodus event never happened the way that story was written. The fact remains: People wrote this in order to justify killing and taking as plunder, the land and property of other people.

Even if this bible god existed, and even if there was a man named Abram, and even if this god led his descendants out of Egypt, having killed off the first borns and plundered Egyptian wealth, killing off a whole generation of "chosen" people in the desert over 40 years, wouldn't that make the whole thing all the more horrendous? It certainly makes it so to me.

ETA

Genesis 12 New International Version (NIV)

12 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

There was no exaggeration in the preacher's comment about this verse. Tens of Thousands of American Christians live there whole lives based upon these verses and send millions of dollars per year in support of Zionism. The words "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you" is the motto of many American Christian Churches.


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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: pthena




It would seem that the preacher took the Galatians verse a bit out of context.


Slightly! But you nailed it down really well. Kudos!




A normal reading wouldn't result in the reader concluding that Paul was indicating that the Abraham story was allegory, but rather the circumstances of the two women could viewed as an allegory.


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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 06:13 AM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: pthena




It would seem that the preacher took the Galatians verse a bit out of context.


Literally.




A normal reading wouldn't result in the reader concluding that Paul was indicating that the Abraham story was allegory, but rather the circumstances of the two women could viewed as an allegory.



To me these two women represent two paths... one has free will, the other is bound to do the will of the law, which comes back to the in/out crowd.



Imagine going against all laws today and writing your own laws that say god said you are entitled to take over the whole world... Because you can!

It seems like someone had a huge psychopathic episode that was seen as divine.... to a subsequent brood of psychopaths. If someone was to do this today and go against the grain they would be labled as sick, a schizophrenic with a god complex, or even terrorists.

So we end up with the world in which we live today. History repeats with the islamic state(Isis). It must be this law that needs to be changed. I was not written by god but was written by freewill.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains

Before you throw scripture on the fire. There seems to be more
confusion with the preachers history.



The stele depicts Ramses crushing a Hittite fortress as it was found
in one of his temples. So far we have a preachers word that the Hittites
were black and oppressed. On the other hand a dipiction showing the exact
opposite in one of Pharaohs own temples. So somethings a miss here.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Wifibrains




The stele depicts Ramses crushing a Hittite fortress as it was found
in one of his temples.


Looks like man vs woman.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains

Well either way, the Hittites worshipped Baal, a false God.
As well as the Caananites etc etc. They sacrificed their children
to these false Gods.

Ezek 23 39
Again, they have done this to Me: they have defiled My sanctuary on the same day and have profaned My sabbaths. 39"For when they had slaughtered their children for their idols, they entered My sanctuary on the same day to profane it; and lo, thus they did within My house. 40"Furthermore, they have even sent for men who come from afar, to whom a messenger was sent; and lo, they came-- for whom you bathed, painted your eyes and decorated yourselves with ornaments;…
Cross Refere

Psalm 106 37
36And served their idols, Which became a snare to them. 37They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, 38And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood.

Did you say something about psychopaths? If I came upon a people even slightly abusing children?
I'd go psycho ass happy on the whole lot of them as well. But these people were burning their own
kids. So God told the Israelites to get medevil on their asses. Because God is righteous not a psycho!

Deuteronomy 12:31
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.

Good preacher?
He's no Fred Price.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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Did you say something about psychopaths? If I came upon a people even slightly abusing children?
I'd go psycho ass happy on the whole lot of them as well. But these people were burning their own
kids. So God told the Israelites to get medevil on their asses. Because God is righteous not a psycho!


Did you hear the one about the priest and quire boy? It's not funny.

In gods house too, tutut... And on Sundays?

Lets not forget this same god righteously also demanded the death of babies.


You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates.


The devil and his temptations eh?

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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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The devil and his temptations eh?


For me my man, the human is without guidance.
Guidance we surely needed but lost. We have
been a loose cannon ever since. This dispicable
world is the result of our dumb asses wanting to do things
our own way. So how could God be at fault? Or his
word be wrong? Have faith always.




Lets not forget this same god righteously also demanded the death of babies.


Whatever you play the blame game all you want.
we are the big #### ups.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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This dispicable
world is the result of our dumb asses wanting to things
our own way.


But was the book not followed? I mean, was it not written that these things would come to pass?


So how could God be at fault? Or his
word be wrong?


He created everything, are you saying it is perfect, And he made no mistakes? Look at the world...

(*Back to top of post, circular logic begins, placing humans in the out crowd as the sinners.)



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains


He never asked for child sacrifices. But did He order the total destruction of some towns, every living thing in them? Yes He did, He surely did.


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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains


Man and Lucifer screwed it up. The world. They decided a good while back to take charge, be god ect and have run the thing into the ground.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

Which man?

Who decided to make this decision?

Any particular sex, group or organisation?



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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He never asked for child sacrifices. But did He order the total destruction of some towns, every living thing in them? Yes He did, He surly did.




He did indeed.

Wait who did?

The false god or the other one? They sound the same to me, he just came to and was interpreted by different individuals, becoming the "authority" head of the house, ect.

Being Judgmental but forgiving while showing no mercy and compassion, doing as thou wilt with self righteousness.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: Wifibrains


Thats right. He didn't show any mercy to some and did show mercy to others. Thats really how He rolls.




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