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Originally posted by quango
Are the new Iraqi police and army so inept that the US is unable to pull out right now?
The insurgents tactics aren't likely to change minus a US presence
it may give the soon-to-be-elected Iraqi government and military more legitimacy to not have us there.
But why are we needed there anymore?
It's not as if the insurgents are a massive army - they're just guys that run around and set off bombs and throw grenades and fire mortars at buildings.
It seems highly unlikely that the insurgents have better weapons, training, or funding then the Iraqis.
Heck, these Iraqis are defending their country from traitors. They should have the heart to win, no?
aape
iraqis are the insurgents if you haven�t noticed.
quango
Okay - elections Jan 30th, two months to set up, so March 31st, we begin sending the majority of US troops home.
frith
despite having an incredibly visible Shiite cleric, Muqtada al-Sadr, inciting a violent rebellion.
Since the violence has been continuous and worsening as time progresses, there is no reason to believe peace will be achieved as long as coalition armed forces remain in Iraq.
jsobecky
They are funded and sheltered by Syria and Iran, and aided by Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
quango
how can we know if insurgents have infilitrated the police and military?
beretboy22
I think the best thing we can do stragegy wise is to train the Iraqi troops to a level comparable to American Army infantry and actually equip them with operational equipment.
aceofbase
with a full pullout by the end of 2005
Originally posted by Britguy
A simple and short answer to the question " Why can't America pull out now? " could be...... because Ariel Sharon says so (or is that a bit cynical and inflammatory)
Originally posted by Frith
Peace can not be given to a population through the barrel of a gun. The violence started by the United States and coalition forces with the "Shock and Awe" campaign has yet to cease and it will never cease. At least so long as there are Iraqis fighting against their occupational force. The end conclusion is that peace will never be created with U.S. and coalition forces staying in Iraq. Not to mention that soldiers are not peace keepers. They are trained only to kill and have no ability to peacefully deal with civil unrest of this magnitude.
Originally posted by Damned
Originally posted by Frith
Peace can not be given to a population through the barrel of a gun. The violence started by the United States and coalition forces with the "Shock and Awe" campaign has yet to cease and it will never cease. At least so long as there are Iraqis fighting against their occupational force. The end conclusion is that peace will never be created with U.S. and coalition forces staying in Iraq. Not to mention that soldiers are not peace keepers. They are trained only to kill and have no ability to peacefully deal with civil unrest of this magnitude.
Yes!!! Finally, someone else who gets it! Expecting a military to somehow bring peace is ignorant. That's not their purpose. Military action doesn't bring peace at all. Will we ever learn? The only thing the military is good for is delivering severe punishment, and that's what they're doing in Iraq. There is no humanity to this. Don't try to disguise this war as some humanitarian social service. It's not.
Originally posted by Netchicken
OK look at it this way, every anti US potential terrorist will be thinking ....
The US ....
settled for a draw in Korea
got whipped at Vietnam
Fled Lebenon
ran from Somalia...
[edit on 22-12-2004 by Netchicken]
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Got whipped in Vietnam I doubt the death tolls reflect that the VC didnt win the war it was the anti-war people in America that won the war.
Somalia wasnt even a war it was a humanitarian mission we didnt go there to fight the people of somalia. We lost what 18 men and killed 1000-5000 of them, the troops stationed there wanted to go back and level the town and they had the means to do so.
You also forgot to mention the most lopsided war in human history Desert storm and a whole host of other ones.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
There is one major reason why America cannot pull out now -- It's called the Mehdi army.
One million men strong,