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Religion isn't growing, it is becoming vigorous in its demise, says philosopher AC Grayling

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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: borntowatch
I see the rise of communism and the religion of atheism....go figure
Of course atheism will grow Especially with scientific advancement and witnessing the death throws of religion, like with animals the death throws will always be more violent. You could argue ISIS is the example for religion why would enlightened sane humans be attracted to religious myths




posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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The religion bwashing is uncalled for real followers of religion not dogmatic judgemental mental midgets are the greatest ppl you can ever meet. The fact that its scarce is evident that organized religion is not the answer. We must look within Ourselves in to our temple to find truth as yeshua said those that look for answers in material places or outside oneself are not children of the ALL but children of man.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: misskat1
The most damming of all is who the Apostate Paul was and that he wrote most of the new testament.
I found that if I were to really believe in Jesus, then I would become a Jew.
Jesus was a practicing Jew until he died.
Paul merged the Mithras traditions with the Christ traditions.
So, if you are a christian, then you are really a follower of Paul.


Acts 26:20-22, New International Version

I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.
That is why some Jews seized me in the temple courts and tried to kill me.
But God has helped me to this very day; so I stand here and testify to small and great alike.
-Paul



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: borntowatch
I see the rise of communism and the religion of atheism....go figure


wrong on both counts...atheism is the lack of religious belief, not a religious belief in itself, and there is no "rise in communism", there is a rise in capitalism across the globe. how did you come about these assertions?



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: borntowatch
I see the rise of communism and the religion of atheism....go figure


wrong on both counts...atheism is the lack of religious belief, not a religious belief in itself, and there is no "rise in communism", there is a rise in capitalism across the globe. how did you come about these assertions?


I don't think he's entirely wrong.

I see the rise of China as being in part due to it's Atheism and something that will only accelerate, while... aside from a name for a government actual Communism is almost dead, the Atheism aspect is it's birth child.

Part of "power" is "soft power" and while the USA rants about human rights it invades everywhere, has a religious back bone and internally passes really uncomfortable laws on it's non religious people maintaining an overwhelming non violent offender prison population

Meanwhile Europeans and Russians who wish to just "conduct business" have a certain freedom from instability within China, the ME is difficult, Europe is invaded by islam demographically, the USA is almost ruined by crazy rulings based on ancient dogmas

The time might come where "China is the Modern World" the Juggernaut Islam simply can't influence by demographic the stronghold of modern thinking...

There is another aspect to China's Atheism/Taoism/Buddhist/even Socialist culture...

It keeps family structure together, it keeps work ethic and politeness and many other things we are loosing via "Culture" not fear of "Damnation" as the West confronts "There is no God" we have also adopted a philosophy of jerry Springer in regards to "I'll do what I want" because morality was hinged to fear of persecution, Asia in general had morality pinned to "Society" all along and yes... broken families, respect for education, culture all make a society prosperous and we have rejected these things because it wasn't hinged to "society" but rather fear, we slide down the ranks in everything, have putrid cities uneducated workers...broken homes which can never work economically... they don't

And who will China gain? in support?

The sane around the world, the Scientists, the PHDs, the Atheists whose way of life is persecuted by "believers" and yeah... they are persecuted in the States to a degree, not by violence, just... social law.

While right now, Chinese rule is strict, they follow logic... in 20-40 years China may very well be the Socialist, Science based liberal capital of the world, things like legalization of Marijuana, Gay rights etc... when the science is truly established you could see China shift policy almost overnight... State side religion can drag these debates on for decades... heck another century. But as example only prove it cures Cancer China can shift the whole public in 5 years, it's Fact and that's what Atheists deal with not fictions.

Say it's "impossible" China through this all doesn't have 20 Million non violent people in prison, if it doesn't challenge govt rule they "make examples" but don't fight wars against their people either. Their Islands get built, their cities explode into skyscrapers, the get wealthier by the minute and people with money want nice lifestyles and Nowhere does religion have a say...



posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: gottaknow
What a wonderful world it WILL be.


Fixed.



posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 01:29 AM
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originally posted by: JimNasium

Just as the Maya carved us, "The Beginning of a New Era" The emerging of 'Yin, The Devine Feminine' Organized religion™ along with politics and military are patriarchal, a.k.a. "Mr. Yang"..

Because Mr. Yang has more than His fair share of a Napoleanic complex, He is kicking and screaming on His way out, Stage Left. Instead of just taking His balls and going home, He must throw a fit and act like a child...

Worship = War Ship.

namaste


So simple this seems to you, and yet it really has nothing to do with reality.

Nature is not two sided, this is the ultimate delusion spawned in EVERY mystery religion.

They ALL must fall, including the ones who believe they are "spiritual", "mystical".

None of them have wiped the slate clean and tried something new, they all have been had.



posted on Apr, 18 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: christophoros
The religion bwashing is uncalled for real followers of religion not dogmatic judgemental mental midgets are the greatest ppl you can ever meet. The fact that its scarce is evident that organized religion is not the answer. We must look within Ourselves in to our temple to find truth as yeshua said those that look for answers in material places or outside oneself are not children of the ALL but children of man.


As long as you look through the jaded eyes of any writings, you will roadblock yourself unknowingly.

Who really cares what Yeshua said it has not worked out for a single soul, if that even is the point.

Some of us see farther into this, the destruction of organized BELIEF systems is coming right behind the religions.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 03:08 AM
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Wasn't A.C. Grayling crushed like a juice box by the more religious William Lane Craig in a debate titled “Does belief in god make sense in light of tsunamis”? I'm pretty sure that's what happened. As for the topic, we know religion is growing on almost every front, it's growing because believers are growing, birth rates across the world show this, saying anything otherwise is just wilful ignorance to the facts around us. Religions have been under attack since before we can remember until the present day, so no amount of wishful thinking on the part of non-believers is going to change that, they've profoundly misunderstood the human condition.

In truth history is only repeating itself, with yet another atheist making yet another sermon on the gospel according to himself. Voltaire was a prime example of this: “Voltaire, the noted French infidel who died in 1778, said that in one hundred years from his time Christianity would be swept from existence and passed into history. But what has happened? Voltaire has passed into history, while the circulation of the Bible continues to increase in almost all parts of the world, carrying blessing wherever it goes." The unbeliever was mistaken then, the unbelievers are mistaken now.

Modern unbelievers are only comforting themselves with the idea that whatever ism they hate isn't long for this world, we ordinarily see that desire in their hatred of Christianity, The Bible and Christ, for which Bernard Ramm added: “A thousand times over, the death knell of the Bible has been sounded, the funeral procession formed, the inscription cut on the tombstone, and committal read. But somehow the corpse never stays put. No other book has been so chopped, knifed, sifted, scrutinized, and vilified. What book on philosophy or religion or psychology or belles lettres of classical or modern times has been subject to such a mass attack as the Bible? With such venom and skepticism? With such thoroughness and erudition? Upon every chapter, line and tenet? The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions." They're the boy who cried wolf at this point.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 03:18 AM
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With all the anti-gay rights and anti-abortion legislation, it's clear that the Christian organizations are doing everything they can to "be more vigorous" is their attempt to keep power.


Heretic, people speak out against abortion because they believe unborn children are being cruelly and senselessly murdered. It's more than the Christian who believes this, disbelievers also feel this way, to frame the situation the way you did is silly.


Like if i wrote revised torah, which is what the new testament is. Would i leave anything out that would threaten my strangle hold on believes from my already borrowed and mutilated religion?


This just isn't accurate, not in the least. Jesus affirmed the Torah or Old Testament canon in both Luke, and in Matthew 23:35. Paradise lost in Genesis is Paradise regained in the book of Revelations. '”From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah” With these words Jesus confirms his witness to the extent of the Old Testament canon. Abel was the first martyr recorded in Scripture (Genesis 4:8) and Zechariah the last martyr to be named in the Hebrew Old Testament order. Zechariah was stoned while prophesying to the people “in the court of the house of the Lord (2 Chronicles 24:21). Genesis was the first book in the Hebrew canon and 2 Chronicles the last.'



And the Qur'an states almost the same.


Would that be the Qur'an or modern Muslim culture? Either way what the line shows to the reader is religious relativism, the belief that every religion teaches the same thing at the end of the day, this view is blatantly wrong my friend. It's actually like spitting in the eye of billions of people who possess widely differing viewpoints towards life, many of which may even be your family and friends.



Ye Olde Christianity is certainly dwindling, hopefully that leads to growth and progress.


What is this based on? Surely not statistics. It may be dwindling in relevance in your own life, but that says nothing about the world stage. The only place in which we might be able to talk about dwindling Christianity is in Europe, which is easily seen in their inability to tackle the encroachment of Islam, perhaps if they collectively embraced a world view capable of meeting the challenge of Islam (rather than atheism) they may be doing better.



The books they left out of the bible, also scream a totally different message.


What books would these be, the gnostic gospels? The books that were written by men posing as the Apostles and women of the Bible hundreds of hundreds of years after the actual men and women lived? The same books that no historian takes seriously as a source of information concerning the life of Jesus?



The Catholic Church has added and taken away soooooooo much in the 66 allowed books of the bible


Care to name a few? Because when it comes to what's been left out they were spot on, they avoided the gnostic gospels after all. Plus they got the letters of Paul, some of the earliest documents of them all.



Who really cares what Yeshua said it has not worked out for a single soul, if that even is the point.


Over two billion people if we're talking about Christians, they care I assume. Also if we're assuming there's such a thing as a soul, then we're getting into talk of a world beyond or life beyond our world, for which we'd need God and religious beliefs more than ever. Or as a writer put it: 'If God is dead, then man is dead, too.'

* Sources

* The Gospel of Matthew.
* Does belief in God make sense in light of tsunamis?
* All About the Bible by Sidney Collett.
* The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict.
* The Absurdity of Life without God by William Lane Craig.
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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: borntowatch
I see the rise of communism and the religion of atheism....go figure


wrong on both counts...atheism is the lack of religious belief, not a religious belief in itself, and there is no "rise in communism", there is a rise in capitalism across the globe. how did you come about these assertions?


I don't think he's entirely wrong.

I see the rise of China as being in part due to it's Atheism and something that will only accelerate, while... aside from a name for a government actual Communism is almost dead, the Atheism aspect is it's birth child.

Part of "power" is "soft power" and while the USA rants about human rights it invades everywhere, has a religious back bone and internally passes really uncomfortable laws on it's non religious people maintaining an overwhelming non violent offender prison population

Meanwhile Europeans and Russians who wish to just "conduct business" have a certain freedom from instability within China, the ME is difficult, Europe is invaded by islam demographically, the USA is almost ruined by crazy rulings based on ancient dogmas

The time might come where "China is the Modern World" the Juggernaut Islam simply can't influence by demographic the stronghold of modern thinking...

There is another aspect to China's Atheism/Taoism/Buddhist/even Socialist culture...

It keeps family structure together, it keeps work ethic and politeness and many other things we are loosing via "Culture" not fear of "Damnation" as the West confronts "There is no God" we have also adopted a philosophy of jerry Springer in regards to "I'll do what I want" because morality was hinged to fear of persecution, Asia in general had morality pinned to "Society" all along and yes... broken families, respect for education, culture all make a society prosperous and we have rejected these things because it wasn't hinged to "society" but rather fear, we slide down the ranks in everything, have putrid cities uneducated workers...broken homes which can never work economically... they don't

And who will China gain? in support?

The sane around the world, the Scientists, the PHDs, the Atheists whose way of life is persecuted by "believers" and yeah... they are persecuted in the States to a degree, not by violence, just... social law.

While right now, Chinese rule is strict, they follow logic... in 20-40 years China may very well be the Socialist, Science based liberal capital of the world, things like legalization of Marijuana, Gay rights etc... when the science is truly established you could see China shift policy almost overnight... State side religion can drag these debates on for decades... heck another century. But as example only prove it cures Cancer China can shift the whole public in 5 years, it's Fact and that's what Atheists deal with not fictions.

Say it's "impossible" China through this all doesn't have 20 Million non violent people in prison, if it doesn't challenge govt rule they "make examples" but don't fight wars against their people either. Their Islands get built, their cities explode into skyscrapers, the get wealthier by the minute and people with money want nice lifestyles and Nowhere does religion have a say...










China uses capitalism... It's just that something's are disasters when done "for profit". Healthcare, justice system, and insurance companies are ruining us because it's not about fullfilling some societal goal... It's about making more profits for share holders.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: OldSchoolContemporary
Wasn't A.C. Grayling crushed like a juice box by the more religious William Lane Craig in a debate titled “Does belief in god make sense in light of tsunamis”? I'm pretty sure that's what happened.


According to who?

That was in 2005 BTW



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: defiythelie

Just as foretold.





2 Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

King James Version (KJV)


The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: Annee



According to who?


According to me, of course.



That was in 2005 BTW


And The Man Who Would Be King was in 1975, still worth a watch though!



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: OldSchoolContemporary
a reply to: Annee



According to who?


According to me, of course.



That was in 2005 BTW


And The Man Who Would Be King was in 1975, still worth a watch though!


You made a claim that can't be backed up.

Yes. Apparently that claim is your personal opinion.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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There is no intelligent or logical reason to follow absent deities. I know people can go oh look a flower is growing in the desert, Must be god! Seriously, that's self brainwashing. OH I prayed for a good day and had a good day, god is a miracle worker...

There is even less reason to believe in religions who basis involves ancient man passing by word of mouth from one generation to another until a significant amount of people could write and read...and then wrote down what had been passed on by word and memory for 100's of years.

You don't know what Constantine threw out of the bible to fit his needs. You just don't. It's a fact.

Intelligent humans lived on this earth centuries before any modern religion was invented. Just another reason to seriously doubt what you where taught.

I cannot tell you there is no God. I can tell you there is no religion that describes it if there is. It is all made up by man.

Not one of you can provide any objective evidence that your religion is real and describes the creator of the universe. Not a one.


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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: defiythelie

Just as foretold.





2 Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

King James Version (KJV)


The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.


the emperors new clothes, anyone? bit of an oldie but still goldie.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Annee



You made a claim that can't be backed up.


Your correction would only be worthwhile if I called it anything other than my personal opinion, which I did not. Also considering the size of my two messages there's an awful lot to pick out, could it be that you agree with the rest? Considering the anger online it makes a nice change to see where posters agree.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: OldSchoolContemporary
a reply to: Annee



You made a claim that can't be backed up.


Your correction would only be worthwhile if I called it anything other than my personal opinion, which I did not. Also considering the size of my two messages there's an awful lot to pick out, could it be that you agree with the rest? Considering the anger online it makes a nice change to see where posters agree.


You could have left it alone after my last post, why didn't you?

You were trying to set a tone that a religious person bested a humanitarian philosopher in a debate.

Your implication was not that it was just your personal opinion - - - so I researched it.



posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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You were trying to set a tone that a religious person bested a humanitarian philosopher in a debate.


That's a possibility, or perhaps I was being literal! Perhaps I truly recall the sight of Mr Grayling being literally crushed by a herculean effort of Dr Craig, one which left him just as a discarded carton of juice. Come on, Annee. It's true that these topics are heated and often people misunderstand one another, but if you're ever trying to control the tone, as that seems to be what you're concerned with, you're never going to grow or learn from others.



You could have left it alone after my last post, why didn't you?


Because of this: 'considering the size of my two messages there's an awful lot to pick out, could it be that you agree with the rest?' It was a legit question, I'm sincerely curious. If you care about info being backed up, and you left untouched the vast bulk of what I'd written, is it fair to say it was backed up to your liking?

Also it's nice to hear that you researched it, that means you haven't listened to it right? You were just defending your tribe so to speak.
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