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RHODES HAS FALLEN
The statue of Cecil John Rhodes has been removed from UCT's upper campus.
Hundreds of students gathered around as the statue was lifted at around 5:37pm and anxious students were seen throwing objects and chanting at the statue ahead of the removal.
The man who started it all by throwing human waste at the statue a month ago, Chumani Maxwele said, “This is a moment for us to really confront the reality of our history and I’m happy that the national government is on board.”
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STATUE OF QUEEN VICTORIA VANDALISED IN PE
The sculpture has been smeared with green paint.
The sculpture was smeared with green paint in the most recent instance of reaction towards colonial era statues in the country.
Several sculptures in the Eastern Cape and Pretoria have also been defaced in the wake of protests at UCT which called for the removal of the Cecil John Rhodes statue.
Nelson Mandela Bay Municipality mayoral spokesperson Kupido Baron said, “This morning we discovered that Queen Victoria’s statue, situated in front of the main library, was vandalised with green paint. We managed to cordon off the area and we now will start off with an investigation.”
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GANDHI STATUE VANDALISED
The statue and a commemorative plaque were smeared with white paint this afternoon.
JOHANNESBURG – Police have confirmed a statue of Indian leader and philosopher Mahatma Gandhi in the Johannesburg CBD has become the latest monument to be defaced this weekend.
The statue and a commemorative plaque were smeared with white paint this afternoon.
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THE LOWDOWN ON THE STATUE TAKEDOWN
Debate about apartheid and colonial-era statues and their relevance in modern society intensified when the first poo and paint flung by protesting University of Cape Town (UCT) students hit the stone bust of Cecil John Rhodes.
Cecil John Rhodes at UCT
King George VI at UKZN
Paul Kruger in Church Square, Pretoria
The Anglo-Boer war memorial statue and the Horse Memorial statue in PE
Statue of Louis Botha outside Parliament
Queen Victoria in Port Elizabeth
Martinus Wessels Pretorius in Tshwane
Andrew Murray in Wellington
Mahatma Gandhi in Johannesburg CBD
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: IndependentOpinion
What in the thrice cursed name of Hades, justifies a bunch of people who are arguably justly aggravated about the hijacking of their nation for a century or so, defacing a statue of Gandhi of all people? What the hell did he ever do to the South African people, that has lead them to despise him? He was neither white, nor a colonial, but a figure who was so determined to achieve freedoms for people, that he resorted to peace rather than conflict, the harder path, and harder choice by far!
What possible motivation could the perpetrators of this vandalism have, for doing anything to HIS statue?
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Ah!
I had not realised that about Gandhi! Well, what a bastard!
I was not surprised at the attitude that some South Africans take toward colonialism, but I had no idea that Gandhi had such a role to play in the region, or that he was a staggering racist bigot! You learn something new everyday as they say, and that was my daily tidbit!
Everyone with functional synapses knows that apartheid was a bum deal for the natives though, that I did know.
originally posted by: robbeh
Well the pres of SA is meant to be setting an example but this goes a bit to far to blame everything on white people I thought they were the ones that brought a bit of civility to that place idk...
did I say anything about apartheid? .. I was referring to better living conditions etc in some of SA back then..
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: robbeh
Well the pres of SA is meant to be setting an example but this goes a bit to far to blame everything on white people I thought they were the ones that brought a bit of civility to that place idk...
There was nothing civil about Apartheid. "Black" people couldn't vote, hold office, own land, etc. Couldn't even walk on the same streets as "white" people. And multiracial/"colored" people had it worse than "whites", but better than "blacks".
The reason I put white, colored, and black in parenthesis is because those were the legal categories for the 3 different social/political classes. "Whites" were 1st class citizens and had all the rights of citizenship. "Coloreds" were multiracial people, were 2nd class citizens, and had some rights. "Blacks" were the full blooded African natives, were 3rd class citizens, and had little to no rights.
Apartheid was as civil as America's Jim Crow/Segregation laws. Maybe even less, because the "black" people were the outright majority in South Africa. And the Apartheid system lasted until 1994. So it's not like there's been a lot of time to correct the damage that was done.
It was removed after ongoing protests, and with good reason considering that man was actually responsible for a lot of suffering.
Forgive me for making the suggestion if it's entirely untrue, but you seem to be annoyed that these "black people" don't "know their place"
originally posted by: robbeh
did I say anything about apartheid? .. I was referring to better living conditions etc in some of SA back then..
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: robbeh
Well the pres of SA is meant to be setting an example but this goes a bit to far to blame everything on white people I thought they were the ones that brought a bit of civility to that place idk...
There was nothing civil about Apartheid. "Black" people couldn't vote, hold office, own land, etc. Couldn't even walk on the same streets as "white" people. And multiracial/"colored" people had it worse than "whites", but better than "blacks".
The reason I put white, colored, and black in parenthesis is because those were the legal categories for the 3 different social/political classes. "Whites" were 1st class citizens and had all the rights of citizenship. "Coloreds" were multiracial people, were 2nd class citizens, and had some rights. "Blacks" were the full blooded African natives, were 3rd class citizens, and had little to no rights.
Apartheid was as civil as America's Jim Crow/Segregation laws. Maybe even less, because the "black" people were the outright majority in South Africa. And the Apartheid system lasted until 1994. So it's not like there's been a lot of time to correct the damage that was done.
originally posted by: IndependentOpinion
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Lets ask this question. Where would SA be now is Afrikaaners get colonized and built an economy?