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Alright, R U tired of only fat cats making money, here you go

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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:52 AM
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I have financial background but I am firmly on the side of the little guy.

Stock Market is a rigged game where about 10% on top drain the accounts of 90% other participants. This is nothing new, this has been going on since the late 1800s.

Some participants get drained very slowly so the poor bastards think they will come out on top eventually.

The top 10 % make their money through insider trading, they know when there will be false flags, real scandals, market crashes, positive announcements and so on.

Some people (very few) are quick enough to play the game and make money without insider information. These guys (very few) know the difference between luck/randomness and statistical edge, these guys are very good at math so most of you shouldn't bother trying to copy them.

It takes about 5-10 years of true dedication to learn to play the game without being skinned alive by the insiders that have everything rigged.
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ENOUGH TALK, WHERE IS THE MONEY

here is the money

It is only a matter of time before US stock market "corrects" LOL, more like crashes good 40%

When that happens Gold and Silver will have an upswing of at least 40%

But this little gem called FAZ, is going to go from 10-15 per share, to 20 000 - 40 000

To put it simply it is the opposite of US Stock market, and when markets crashes this baby reflects that several times over.

It is like betting against the US markets.

So why is this so cool.

Well think about it, FAZ is licking the low numbers of 13, 12, 14,

FAZ can go to ZERO, big fat ZERO

But it is far far far more likely mathematically speaking, that FAZ will reach 30 000 before it reaches zero, because for FAZ to go lower than say 7, US market has to go up significantly, and for FAZ to reach 5, US market would be so *high* it wouldn't be able to walk talk or see

People are afraid because people don't know how to manage their money, because neither school nor parents teach their kids.

You take 10-15% of what you have and you risk it, that way if you lose it, things are still ok, but if you win, you are well off possibly for the first time in your life.



DISCLAIMER = I don't own it yet, and I am not pushing it, and I am not guaranteeing you your broker will actually give you your money if the crash is deep enough and SHTF.
US brokers since the 2008 don't have to give you your money. How can they pay you your cool million dollars when they are bankrupted by the crash.

It is called Hypothetication and RE-Hypothetication, it is in the small print.




posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:56 AM
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Meh .. all you get is grey hair .. ulcers.. coronary and fooked by the government and banks chasing money in their rigged game ..
Dont need the headaches and far less stress sitting out in my hammock with a beer or fishing down at the river .. come into this world with nothing .. take nothing with when leave it .. better to take time enjoy life .. make the world a little better along the way ..



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: Expat888

Jesus expat

You do realize that getting to that hammock of yours takes money

Gotta pay the plane ticket, gotta buy some land

Gotta pay for a hut or something

What if you have kids ?

Life is more complicated than you make it out to be



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 06:12 AM
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There are heaps of inverse ETFs, not just FAZ.

They rely on short selling stocks and exposure to derivatives as well as the fund manager getting his calls right. Short selling bans occurred pretty quickly in the last crisis (ie if the fund sells short to get its exposure, it's dead), and derivatives are subject to counterparty risk as well as being leveraged.

Personally i'd rather just hold physical gold and a few speculative derivatives.

BTW, many of the guys trading using statistical models and algorithms will go very broke. It's happened before, the models cannot see or price tail risk for which they have no data.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: MensaIT3

Here's a better idea, invest your money in property, things that actually benefit your life. You cannot take it with you, and the hunger for more is nothing but a delusional game by people who haven't yet worked out that they are MORTAL and WILL DIE.

Live the one life you have seeking happiness, being satisfied with what you have when you have it, maintaining comfort where possible.

Entering this rigged game (and every single part of it is rigged) will do nothing more than distract you from the real experience of life.

When you get to your death bed your last regrets will not be that you didn't make enough money.
Your real regrets will be that you didn't experience something when you had the chance, that you didn't learn more, that you didn't tell that person how much you loved them, that you didn't show your kids all the love and support you could have, that you didn't stand barefoot in the grass more often, that you didn't go that festival because you were scared, that you didn't take that invite to have dinner with a stranger, that you didn't go camping more often, that you spent your life with the wrong person, that you spent too much of your life criticizing others, that you wasted entire years of your existence in front of the TV...

These are the things that will really make you sad. Money is nothing more than a bartering method, it's supposed to flow, not be hoarded by people delusional enough to think they'll live forever and that to be happy they need a holiday home, three classic cars and the most up-to-date TV to waste their life in front of.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 06:19 AM
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Are you talking about this one?



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: MensaIT3

Took boat upriver - cost delivered boat owners kids when they were born .. from there walked full days hike from village after boatride upriver - cost 0 .. pay for land ???? Lmao thats funny .. neither governments or banks control out here in the middle of nowhere .. house - built by hand using traditional japanese building techniques took two years of hard work .. garden planted - cost 0 got initial seeds from villagers in exchange for providing medical service when they need it .. my kids all grown with families of their own now and doing well in their medical practices and apothecary shops .. life only complicated if you make it complicated .. for the times need cash have enough stashed away over the years that my 13 ex-wives and their lawyers didnt get .. I dont owe anyone a thing in this world .. and dont have credit cards .. bank accounts .. or any of the rest of the # that enslaves people ..

Granted not everyone could handle a simple quiet life without all the modern conveniences .. I prefer it over the cesspool of "civilization" ..
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:05 AM
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I read up one these and they are an interesting idea. I don't understand how they work - how they can increase in value proportionally to a decrease in value in other stock - but I'm a stock market noob and don't understand any of it at all to begin with.

Do they have any aerospace inverse ETF's? I own a few shares of Lockheed Martin - it might be a good idea to hedge my investment against a drop in price. If not I just might buy a few shares of FAZ. I can afford to lose 12 bucks if it doesn't pan out. They say to buy low and sell high and this stock is certainly low, that's for sure.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: Expat888

Yes, but you cannot be without your ATS.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: Expat888

You have 13 ex-wives??? I would be living in a hut out in the middle of nowhere too!



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: network dude
It keeps me up on whats going in world .. and good for a few laughs at times .. 2nd son gave me tablet to keep in touch condescended as keeps my kids from trying talk me into moving in with them ..



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

Yep..attribute it to bouts of temporary insanity ....



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Expat888

so how much did it take to get those medical skills that you are batering off??
I haven't looked into FAZ or whatever it is but I kind of get the impression that it's just paper or electronic bits and bites in a computer and well like stocks, cash, and most other investments will be about as much as the paper it's printed on. physical metals that is held in your hand seems to be a better choice but above that I would put the skills, such as medicine, carpentry, gardening, ect . all the paper or ounces of gold in world isn't gonna be worth much if there isn't a farmer willing to take it for the food you need to eat or clothing to keep you warm in the winter. better to be the one growing the food or producing the clothing!



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar
Back pay from four tours in vietnam with s.o.g along with working while went through med school ..
Average temp here 30c year round .. dress same as the locals .. manage just fine trade with them for what cant obtain / make myself ..
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: MensaIT3
a reply to: Expat888

Jesus expat

You do realize that getting to that hammock of yours takes money

Gotta pay the plane ticket, gotta buy some land

Gotta pay for a hut or something

What if you have kids ?



Life is more complicated than you make it out to be


Hey, let's live in a cave.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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Thanks OP. I appreciate knowledge like this. Even though I haven't ventured into playing the market yet, I want to use at least a few K to see what I can do. I'm trying to learn about it more and still unclear what the best way to invest from the internet is without getting screwed by fees/whatnot.



posted on Apr, 16 2015 @ 05:30 AM
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a reply to: Rocker2013

So you advise that people lose everything in the next crash

Because real estate prices will crash too like in Detroit

What do you do when you are not on ATS, probably knee deep in MSM subscriptions



posted on Apr, 16 2015 @ 05:32 AM
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a reply to: gottaknow

I strongly recommend you not waste your money unless you plan to have a little fun with FAZ when the time comes

I can tell you know nothing of market investing or trading, don't waste your funds

All you'll do is buy a wealthy man somewhere a box of cigars




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