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School nurse refused to treat student who didn’t stand for Pledge of Allegiance

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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Wow. I feel the same way. I couldn't have said it better myself.




posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Domo1
I started questioning the whole "pledge" thing in the fourth grade, and while I kept my personal position silent, I still went along with the actions of the class and didn't feel the need to make a freaking scene about it.

Some kids just hate when the tables are turned and the Elders dish out the same attitude.


So... kinda like how the Germans just went along with Hitler, because they preferred to just "go along with it" and not "make a scene"?

I guess you won't mind when the government decides you don't get to visit the emergency room due to your incorrect voting choices.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Helious
I agree, the pledge of allegiance is a brainwashing tactic and completely inappropriate in modern society and schools. Furthermore, that nurse needs to be fired immediately. Apparently, she is too dumb to understand the difference between the first Amendment and her contractual job duties.



So you have a problem with kids being told to stand for the pledge and call it brainwashing, but forcing kids to pretend they are Muslims isn't a for of brainwashing, where is your outrage on that?



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Domo1

While I agree of course that whatever ceremony might be communally conducted by students and teachers (pledge of allegiance, fist bumps, jumping jacks, public readings of 50 shades of grey), there is no requirement to participate.

I think these incidents are strange because there is no obligation to participate in any activity or, for the matter, to even attend. I think it is time to retire the failed socialist experiment of conscripting pupils into compulsory state educational facilities.


Yeah, all the parents will just love that! lol.. That isn't a realistic solution.

There are all kinds of stupid things we have to do in school. Form lines, close our mouths, go to recess etc. Some for our safety but many to maintain control and organization. So they mess up now and then. The nurse should be fired. It's not her place to decide who to treat and who not to on a whim. Anyone needing treatment should be treated whether she agrees with their opinion or not.

What will happen when these issues show up in the military? I mean we can't expect rebellious or non conformists in the military can we? How do you tell someone that rebellious behavior is ok when you're a kid but as soon as you're an adult it all changes. People who don't follow mainstream have problems getting jobs.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
Good for the kid, but it's a shame she had to get a dose of blind fanaticism to go with her realization of freedom of choice.


I think it is a wholly good thing that she got to see what being forced to do something turns you into. IMO, the girl's position should now be solidified into "I don't want to turn into THAT NURSE."



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: StoutBroux
People who don't follow mainstream have problems getting jobs.


Hey! Thanks. I think you must be the first person on ATS to say that.

We are a society, but we are also individuals. The Smart Ones know how to separate the two.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

I am FAR from someone who would agree with this kid, though what was done to her is FAR worse.

The nurse and everyone who was a dick to her needs to be fired.

Its your CHOICE to pledge your allegiance to the flag. Forcing her is FAR more un american than what she did. In fact she is acting in the very spirit of the American ethos.

What an ass the nurse is. This kid will likely only become more adamant in refusing to pledge allegiance. Rightfully so mind you. She is more of a "patriot" for standing for what she believes and the people forcing her hand are less so for not respecting her choice.


edit on 4 15 2015 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 03:50 PM
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First of all the flag has meaning that the children don't even learn before they are required to pledge allegiance to it. This disturbs me to no end. A child shouldn't be taught to mindlessly do anything.

Second of all I once was in trouble for being too lazy to stand up foe the pledge of allegiance. You will never guess what happened. My Dad flipped out that I was praying to false Gods and that the school was teaching idoltry. I had no idea. I just got distracted. Needless to say I didn't stand up or say the pledge after that.

So here are two very important issues. Beleif and understanding. They really need to go together.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish
First of all the flag has meaning that the children don't even learn before they are required to pledge allegiance to it. This disturbs me to no end. A child shouldn't be taught to mindlessly do anything.

Second of all I once was in trouble for being too lazy to stand up foe the pledge of allegiance. You will never guess what happened. My Dad flipped out that I was praying to false Gods and that the school was teaching idoltry. I had no idea. I just got distracted. Needless to say I didn't stand up or say the pledge after that.

So here are two very important issues. Beleif and understanding. They really need to go together.


Why don't they learn? I did when I was young.

And no, never mindlessly following anyone or anything, just like Beliebers or Gaga fans. Just like they follow Dawkins also. They never question, and most times they just end up parroting.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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That girl should have been embraced for exercising HER RIGHTS AS an AMERICAN CITIZEN!

Not castigated by this ignorant nurse


Her job is to heal and tend to the sick not past political judgment on people



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Domo1

I am FAR from someone who would agree with this kid, though what was done to her is FAR worse.

The nurse and everyone who was a dick to her needs to be fired.

Its your CHOICE to pledge your allegiance to the flag. Forcing her is FAR more un american than what she did. In fact she is acting in the very spirit of the American ethos.

What an ass the nurse is. This kid will likely only become more adamant in refusing to pledge allegiance. Rightfully so mind you. She is more of a "patriot" for standing for what she believes and the people forcing her hand are less so for not respecting her choice.



Until she grows up with so many body piercings and tattoos and can't get that professional job. And then complain about why she can't get it.

A patriot can come in all forms, but to be a patriot for a cause that ensures freedoms, that's what we should all be doing. Instead, in today's world, patriotism means championing self-expression.

There are some self-expressions that I wish would just go away, but I don't have the right or power to stop it. The American flag, it is the symbol of your freedom for self-expression. We could all go the way of Stalin and salute the USSR flag or Pol Phot's regime, or some other fascist dictatorship.

Really, do we have it worse today than the Killing Fields? Have we reached such a level that we aren't permitted to think against the State? Are we worried that tomorrow there will be gangs of angry proletariat bursting through our doors to kill our families?

The US is not a Gulag, I wish people really understood that.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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IMHO Fire her! If she doesn't do her job get someone who will. It's that simple to me.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Patriotism is archaic. It's a form of enslavement, plain and simple. I do not pledge allegiance to our criminal goverment, and never will until we get this mess cleaned up. I have respect for my heritage, but this ain't your daddy's America.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

I don't know why don't. I just know I'm the one that explained to my kids what it stood for originally and what it stands for today. (Today I think its more in honor of all our troops)

I think this would be pretty good kindergarten story time lesson plan myself.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: dr1234
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Patriotism is archaic. It's a form of enslavement, plain and simple. I do not pledge allegiance to our criminal goverment, and never will until we get this mess cleaned up. I have respect for my heritage, but this ain't your daddy's America.


I disgree. From the details given the student and not the nurse was in the right here but patriotism at it's core means having pride in your country, believing in your fellow countrymen, and striving to live up to the ideals of your country. Those aren't bad qualities to have.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

I guess a Sign of Patriotism to ones Country is Somehow Abhorrent to some People on this Site . Well , that says ALOT about some of your Characters , For Shame ......................



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Domo1

I guess a Sign of Patriotism to ones Country is Somehow Abhorrent to some People on this Site . Well , that says ALOT about some of your Characters , For Shame ......................



Were not talking about patriotism were talking about compulsion



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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While I side with the kid for standing up for her beliefs, I also agree that the nurse should be relieved, for failure to provide aid. Thats her JOB, correct?
I do disagree with the rest of you folk that downgrade the Pledge, if you dont like it, thats fine, dont demean it for of those that still like it.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: HomerinNC

What makes the country great is its idea of freedom from compulsion

To force people to adhere to a custom is the antithesis of the philosophy and spirit of the pledge of allegiance



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: HomerinNC
I do disagree with the rest of you folk that downgrade the Pledge, if you dont like it, thats fine, dont demean it for of those that still like it.


I think its great if an adult chooses it and chooses to honor the flag.

I don't think children should pledge to anything political.




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