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School nurse refused to treat student who didn’t stand for Pledge of Allegiance

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posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Helious


Apparently, she is too dumb to understand the difference between the first Amendment and her contractual job duties.


Indeed. Most do not realize, or conveniently forget that freedom of association also means a freedom from 'compelled association' to which the pledge is; compelling association.

If I recall correctly, the "under God" was added in 1954, and had been up to that point "One Nation, Indivisible..." So, that [God stanza] is moot IMO, and the larger issue being their [the students] compelled association through the use of coercion [non-treatment].




posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
It seems to me people want it both ways. "One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all." Are we offended because of the word "God", or liberty, is there something in there that would do harm to our children? Or is pledging allegiance to the flag so offensive? The same flag our grandparents and great-grandparents and their parents fought for, and died for, by the thousands, have people no respect for their heritage at all?


The creator of the pledge was a socialist. He probably did "flips in his grave" when God was added.

The pledge was originally meant to be universal for any country.

No child should be pledging allegiance to anything.




Original pledge. I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The Pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be recited in 15 seconds. As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity, but decided against it – knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans



posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: American-philosopher

Tell that to the families of those who came home in body bags .. or to all the vets who went to fight the wars only to return home to get spit on .. denied jobs .. end up living on the street ... or committing suicide .. yep real good thing patriotism ..



posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 11:54 PM
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Well I suspect they're Crowley fans, alot of school, counselors, ministry, doctors are indeed Crowley fans and they're extremely abusive dominating psycho's. Usually when things don't make sense, that's often the reason.



posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: Expat888

so why did they go off in the first place then? I mean what was there mind set. I mean what in the movie American sniper what was his mindset to go?

this might be the worst example to do on ATS but its what I am thinking

where was everybodies mindset after 9/11? what did everybody rally behind? what did everybbody have flying from there house and the trucks ??

I know I was young back then but I did notice how different sub groups were coming together and rally behind something. and whats more they were rallying behind of how great that idea of something is and its potential to do good.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: American-philosopher

Because they believed the patriotic bull#.. they went and paid the price for it with their lives .. health and sanity ..

Anyhow .. not to be rude but dont want to sidetrack domo's thread further .. apologies domo ..
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:04 AM
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I tried that at a Knick game when I was a kid and some big monster tried to kill me


My brother got in his case and he backed off because he was soon to get a folding chair on his head if he didn’t



I never understood these patriotic freaks who think this pledge is anything but a cult act


The nurse is way out of line

It would have been great if the little girl or her parents went to that clueless nurse and recited the Nurses Hippocratic oath

Florence Nightingale Pledge



I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.


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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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The pledge of allegiance used to be something to be proud of when our country still had honor, and integrity. Now the USA is so messed up people have reasons to not want to pledge and I don't blame them. The reason these ppl exist that act out so badly is because the government and society made it happen. Stupid nurse though. She has no right to treat a child/teen that way.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

I never understood these patriotic freaks who think this pledge is anything but a cult act


I worry about this quite often


Exuding Patriotism to the degree of zealotry... Flags, Hero worship, the pledge, Support our troops, etc



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: Cuervo

Hopefully this yong lady will be a little more rational, insightful and intune with things than your angry little butt.

I know my activism paid off and I grew up better off for it.
Any plans on leaving Neverland soon?



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:14 AM
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Student is a moron, but the nurse still needs to provide care. Nurse should be fired.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: J.B. Aloha

Its nothing wrong in theory with the cornball pledge of allegiance but to force people to do it is just a contradiction of what America is supposed to be about
FREEDOM the opposite of coercion



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why is the student a moron?



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: Annee




Hmmmm, didn't we have this discussion - - if a Christian firefighter could refuse to treat a LGBT person under religious freedom laws?


I highly doubt it. If we did I would be saying that the firefighter had better be treating anyone regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation etc. or face immediate termination if not more.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

Its nothing wrong in theory with the cornball pledge of allegiance but to force people to do it is just a contradiction of what America is supposed to be about FREEDOM the opposite of coercion


Totally agree, and covered in my post at the top of page [2].



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: Elementalist
America.... thanks for your daily entertainment.

It never gets old


What's next...


I KNOW, me me me me MEEEE (arm flails).
How about if you don't attend an official state holiday parade
you get your food stamps cut that month. Oh wait, they're
getting cut anyway.
What then about we'll unhook your cable if you download survival
instructional vids instead of "war movies"? There, that'll cull 'em.
VVV Yeah, and I'm old enough to remember THIS VVV

edit on 15-4-2015 by derfreebie because: WIth Blitzkrieg and pus bags for ALL



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:45 AM
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I'm a nurse and, depending on her nurse practice act and state nursing laws, she could very well be facing disciplinary action from her state's board of nursing for not treating the patient.

As a nurse, you MUST separate yourself and your "beliefs" or else you cannot provide safe, competent care. To anyone.

She's an idiot and an embarrassment to the profession. There's been plenty of patients I WISH I could've "refused" to provide care for, but I just sucked it up and DID MY JOB. Just like 99.99999% of the nurses out there do, everyday.




posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:45 AM
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Amazing.

The article doesn't even provide the "severity of the symptoms and dire need for care" that you're all implying this child so "desperately" needed and yet you're all screaming for the head of the Nurse.

Amazing.

I see a lot of us might need some night classes in logic still.
Your primitive passions and jumping to rote remedial conclusions are too ingrained.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: GENERAL EYES

I don't care if the girl just had a headache. To refuse to treat a child or to let her call her mother over something as petty as not saying the pledge is ridiculous.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Domo1

Oh pssh.

It takes a Village to raise the next generation of Community Citizens.

If the young lady is going through her rebellious phase while figuring things out, so be it. I started questioning the whole "pledge" thing in the fourth grade, and while I kept my personal position silent, I still went along with the actions of the class and didn't feel the need to make a freaking scene about it.

Some kids just hate when the tables are turned and the Elders dish out the same attitude.

Seriously. This call for firing the Nurse is about as rational of me insisting that the "sad face" mark I got back in Elementary School for spelling the "i" in my name with a circle instead of a dot was somehow psychologically damaging or something.

This young lady will get over it eventually, learn from the experience, and be a wiser person for it one day.

The pledge is not a binding contract, it's a gesture of good faith and group cohesion ya silly Commies!


Huh? What does standing for the pledge of allegiance have to do with a nurse refusing to treat a student? The nurse should be fired or at least reprimanded for not doing her job. Standing for the pledge isn't a job, nor is it in any kind of written agreement between students and their schools. But treating students is a part of the nurse's job position & employment contract.



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