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Does Anyone Actually hate Christians??

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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Stormdancer777

have you ever read albert pike's references to world war 3? not only do muslims, jews and christians get wiped, but so do atheists, when the people who are responsible for most of this #, blame their final patsy -- the atheists. it's sorta like that phrase:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I had it pointed out to me that Pikes letter to Mazzini is a fraud.
Nazism didnt exist when the letter was apparently written.


Exactly what William Guy Carr was trying to pull, I’ll never know. If you’ve bared it until the end, perhaps you’re disappointed to have found nothing about a prediction of three world wars, Communism, Nazism and Zionist Illuminati – or anything of the sort. A search through the entire book, utilizing relevant word combinations, turns up nothing either. Instead, what it truly represents is the scurrilous fantasies, and militant anti-Catholicism of its author: the impostor Leo Taxil aka Dr. Bataille, who profited handsomely while having a million laughs at the expense of both Christians and Masons; who confessed that his entire corpus of anti-Masonic works – spanning twelve years and representing thousands of pages (including the translated excerpt above) – were a complete and utter fraud; a colossal yet ridiculously farcical hoax.

It is enough having shown that the so-called Pike/Mazzini letter came from the Taxil hoax and to have provided a full translation of it. However, if the reader is so inclined, there are plenty of resources to become familiar with all facets of the Leo Taxil case in the above embedded links.


www.conspiracyarchive.com...

But dont worry, I believed the lie for years, up until a few weeks ago.
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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
When I completely stepped out of the "God circle" - - - it was like this huge weight was lifted off me. I began Living. Living each moment of life. Everything mattered.

I was no longer going through the motions of a man-made ideology for some reward when life ended. To be judged if I was good or bad by some mystical imaginary being, How bizzare!


That was you clearly becoming arrogant and in love with yourself. You gave your heart, body and mind over to the fleshly (not spiritual), worldly desires. I'm afraid the ideologies of man and Satan deceived you, my friend. /sarc

Of course I don't believe any of what I just said.


I too experienced a weight being lifted when I reached the point I could not honestly be a Christian anymore.



NOTE: I did take it upon myself to research extensively. Which is one reason I am now atheist.

This!


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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Annee
When I completely stepped out of the "God circle" - - - it was like this huge weight was lifted off me. I began Living. Living each moment of life. Everything mattered.

I was no longer going through the motions of a man-made ideology for some reward when life ended. To be judged if I was good or bad by some mystical imaginary being, How bizzare!


That was you clearly becoming arrogant and in love with yourself. You gave your heart, body and mind over to the fleshly (not spiritual), worldly desires. I'm afraid the ideologies of man and Satan deceived you, my friend.

Of course I don't believe any of what I just said.


I too experienced a weight being lifted when I reached the point I could not honestly be a Christian anymore.



NOTE: I did take it upon myself to research extensively. Which is one reason I am now atheist.

This!



A bit of Sarcasm?

I'm too analytical for the "Heart, Body, (Soul)" - - I'll keep the mind though.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: Annee

The bit about arrogance and such was sarcasm.

Sorry if you read it offensively, it was not my intention.

I am also an atheist that felt a weight lifted.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: WakeUpBeer


That was you clearly becoming arrogant and in love with yourself. You gave your heart, body and mind over to the fleshly (not spiritual), worldly desires. I'm afraid the ideologies of man and Satan deceived you, my friend. /sarc

Love it. LOL.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Entreri06

Originally Christians were not a religion...they just became a religion.

I think even God hates religion.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Annee

The bit about arrogance and such was sarcasm.

Sorry if you read it offensively, it was not my intention.

I am also an atheist that felt a weight lifted.


I thought it was very funny.

I was rushing out the door to go get the Kindergartner. Just posted first thing came to mind.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy

strangely enough, however, it is following that premise, to the letter. the zionists and muslims are fighting, where whole sects of islam are being wiped out forever, as are whole sects of christinaity. the world is being bankrupted, and atheists are being encouraged to marginalize and attack christians, and governments, claiming they are secular / atheistic, are killing and have been killing christians over the last 70 years, and religious jews as well.

all of that, is a ruse. the guys claiming to be atheists who do these types of things are actually the secret police of the vatican, who are really not religious, that much is true, but they are doing it to maintain the power and money of the vatican. unfortunately for everyone else, they got one of their own on the throne.

modern day christians are as far removed from the inquistion as atheists in the usa are removed from stalin's holodomor, in fact, many christians in the usa are from sects of christianity that were victims of the inquisition. somehow, however, the vatican has managed to sneak into our politics and make us the enemy again. and they are encouraging atheists, to do so as well. what else could it mean ? once you get people thinking in stereotypes, where they assign blame to everyone who holds a certain world view, no matter how far back in time they have to go to extract the accusation, you set up a precedent where no one is safe from that type of mindset. that's why i am resisting dominionism


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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: undo


the guys claiming to be atheists who do these types of things are actually the secret police of the vatican, who are really not religious, that much is true,


Can you prove this?


but they are doing it to maintain the power and money of the vatican. unfortunately for everyone else, they got one of their own on the throne.
Are you saying Pope Francis is an atheist?

So, do you actually hate Catholics?


that's why i am resisting dominionism

Dominionism is a Protestant Evangelical sect. It isn't Catholic.

I'm resisting it, too - but, it isn't "Catholic" or "Jesuit."

I agree with you on so many points, undo. I truly do.
But not on this one.


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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

i think the catholic people are fine and actually are victims of the vatican. pope francis is a jesuit. the jesuits are the secret police of the vatican, an army. they were never a religious order. they were sorta like a blackwell contractor with some cia thrown in for good measure. it was their job to insert themselves into the politics of foreign governments that the vatican wanted to control or overthrow or payback.

and yes, some protestants and some catholics are forming dominionism as an united front. these people are not working in the best interest of the catholics or the protestants, or anyone for that matter. some have been convinced of it by slick salesmen and some are actually the slick salesmen.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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this might be interesting




posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: undo


and yes, some protestants and some catholics are forming dominionism as an united front. these people are not working in the best interest of the catholics or the protestants, or anyone for that matter. some have been convinced of it by slick salesmen and some are actually the slick salesmen.

I believe this to be a possibility. I posted a link earlier in the thread that lends credence to such an idea.

Here it is: Catholics and charismatics must spiritually unite


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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: undo

You misunderstand or misrepresent atheism more than anyone I've ever seen. I know it has been pointed out to you, and/or you have read posts in relation to it. But here it is again:

Atheism has no tenets or doctrines. In other words, atheism in of itself had no influence in mass murders. Atheism is nothing more or less than the lack of belief, or disbelief in God or gods. The claim that it is responsible for influencing madmen to murder is false.

As atheism has no doctrines, it can't be used to justify.. anything. Anyone claiming to do so, is also misrepresenting atheism. Show me where Stalin or anyone used atheism as their justification for immoral behavior or actions. Them simply being an atheist and also a mass murderer, is not them using their atheism as justification or influence of their actions. Unless in their minds they also have a skewed definition of atheism.

Again, all atheism is, is a position.

Atrocities committed by religious people CAN BE influenced by their faith. However skewed their view of that religion may be. However "not a real Christian" they may have been. Religion has doctrines. Some of the texts are interpreted in such a way that leave the door open for their actions to be justified by God, in their opinion. A person in this very thread implied the horrible OT laws are still laws to be followed. I don't need to remind anyone of what some Muslims are doing because of archaic doctrines of their faith. All over the world religious people slaughter other people because of their religion. And yes, likewise people who aren't religious can slaughter people and oppress people too. But their actions are not backed by atheism, and in absolutely no way can they skew atheism to justify their actions.

Saying atheism is responsible for mass murders, is the exact same thing as saying people who don't like banana splits and are also murders, murdered because of their disgust over banana splits.

I sincerely hope that clears atheism up for you.


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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: WakeUpBeer


the reference was to what albert pike said in his writings about world war 3. he referred to atheism as nihilistic and animalistic. he was himself, an occultist - not a christian or a jew. his view was that islam, christianity, judaism and atheism, farked up the planet and would be manipulated into killing each other off, although for the atheists, it would be the occultists who would kill them, last. in other words:

the zionists and muslims kill each other.
the atheists kill the christians who survive that, blaming them for the whole thing.
and the occultists kill the atheists, blaming them for the whole thing.

it's their idea of utopia.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

holy #.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: Serdgiam
Well, you just HAD to go and make a post with some good points, didn't you?


Sorry. Bad habit




I am speaking about a process, rather than a tool. If it is used consciously, it would only be by those with a direct interest in dividing and conquering. The social groups themselves are not aware of it.


Not necessarily, would you consider pride in your heritage to be a bad thing? That certainly is entertaining the idea of grouping people.


Definitely agree on the hate crime stuff. I don't even see it being applied equally, which I suppose that should be expected inherently.

Beyond that though, what I am speaking towards has little, if anything, to do with legalities. It is more focused on interactions between social groups, which tends to be a self regulating process that operates beyond any written law.


Well complaining about social justice is like complaining about the tide going out. You aren't really going to change anything.


Currently, in the US, those are some of the more well known groups. Historically though, we can garner many more examples to learn from.


Fair enough.


I have never really bought into "original sin." I actually view these things to be a product of our cultural story rather than an intrinsic, unchangeable part of our nature. Only recently have the tools been available to move beyond it.


I wasn't really referring to original sin. I'm just talking about animal instinct really. This is just the way humans evolved. There is nothing wrong with it though. It just is.


I would much rather pursue a course that lends respect towards other viewpoints. Meaning, rather than any group whatsoever, it focuses specifically on how the social groups interact. Beauty in diversity and all that.. Regardless, both approaches might yield the same results, and both are equally unlikely in our cultural story.


Hey as long as it involves no violence, then I'm all for it. I don't want to get into fist fights with people because they believe in Christianity, and I don't want him hitting me for being an agnostic. Logic and reason should prevail.


Do you really think so? It could be argued that nearly every government and nation in the modern arena operates as an oligarchy. It could also be argued, though with less of an evidenced case, that this small minority encourages conflict as long as it isn't directed towards them.

Oh you got me on that one. Good point!





We all have direct access to the universe around us, and while scientific findings may be communicated on the general Internet, I find very little science actually happening there. Most just Google things, then accept them as truth, as you say. I rarely hear of people in the general public actually doing science like experiments, etc. When was the last time you did a scientific experiment to learn something, offline? There aren't too many who have!


Yes, one cannot just believe anything they read on the internet. One must know how to vet their sources. I have sort of trained myself to do that as well. For instance, if you see an article discussing politics, assume hyperbole is involved. The more ridiculous the claim, the greater the chance of hyperbole.



Totally agree! But it doesn't have much to do with the point I was making. You are a assuming a base of knowledge with no personal experience, which gives
you the perceived ability to comment on the situation. Proper scientific method would dictate you to collect all of those scientists datawork to prove your hypothesis. If you have done this, I would actually love to look over the methodology and results.


I admit that I haven't done that.


It was actually using the scientific method that I determined God exists. It's just the how and what that remains unclear and indeterminate. But, if we use strict parameters based on the known, there is a system that is directly identified by those parameters. At that point, it just becomes a matter of answering "does it matter, and if so, why?"


Fair enough. I'm an agnostic and I've heard some interesting theories for god's existence that I can agree to be possible.



That's great! What hypotheses are you currently working on with the scientific method? Or am I assuming a bit too much and you enjoy following the science others have done rather than perform it yourself? There is nothing wrong with either one, but it has become increasingly difficult to find individuals who are more interested in participating in science than reading about it online.


I'd like to say that I do that, but I'd be lying. I actually recently just took up a new hobby, teaching myself to play the Mandolin, and it has been taking up most of my free time. In fact I'm probably going to play it after I get done typing this post. So I just try to stay up to date with newest science.



I absolutely agree, education is in pretty bad shape right now. From religious schools to public schools, it all seems more focused on agenda than educating our *future*. Along with everything else, I am working on redesigning an educational system, based on the same concepts of interacting social groups. I looked for input on here, but there wasn't much. Significant progress has been made in all categories, but I have little interest in sharing any of it on ATS anymore.


That's a shame. Well good luck anyways. We certainly need it. Though it's hard to get people to want to hear the truth. They fight hard to avoid it.


And that was actually due to an erroneous assumption on my part. This forum is mainly focused on point-counter point conversations rather than cooperative discovery.


Yes, that is certainly true. I use it for entertainment purposes and to refine my debate skills to be honest.



posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: undo

I know that in that particular post you were talking about the supposed Pike letter. And I've read the letter in question as I have done my fair share of reading up on New World Order / Illuminati conspiracy theories. I was just addressing various claims I've seen you make or imply (in my opinion), about atheism. Such as we claim omniscience. Which we don't. Interestingly, you yourself would have to claim omnipotence for may of the things you claim, if you are holding yourself up to the same standards. I haven't seen you claim omniscience, and don't expect you to. I understand that you've come to your opinions through studying this and that. So has everyone else.


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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:40 PM
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here's a preacher reading from some document, after which he reads from the "supposed" letter pike wrote, outlining the world wars, including the "last" one, world war 3.




posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: undo

I know that in that particular post you were talking about the supposed Pike letter. And I've read the letter in question as I have done my fair share of reading up on New World Order / Illuminati conspiracy theories. I was just addressing various claims I've seen you make or imply (in my opinion), about atheism. Such as we claim omniscience. Which we don't. Interestingly, you yourself would have to claim omnipotence for may of the things you claim, if you are holding yourself up to the same standards. I haven't seen you claim omniscience, and don't expect you to. I understand that you've come to your opinions through studying this and that. So has everyone else.



aww that's not fair. i recanted the omniscience thing and said "i think, therefore I AM!" was perhaps better. i know we aren't omniscient, that was kinda my point. i say kinda, cause i think you, me, everybody, is a god, whatever that is, we just aren't omniscient gods and have had our dna modified so our bodies have expiration dates. i think we were nerfed.
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posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: undo

the atheists kill the christians who survive that, blaming them for the whole thing.


Atheist/Atheism is not a verb. It doesn't do anything.

It is not anti anything. It has no action. It has no doctrine. It has no behavior. It is the simple position of "Lacking belief in a God".

Perhaps you mean Anti-theists. Atheist does not mean Anti-Theist.

However, a person can be Atheist - - and choose to also be Anti-Theist.
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