Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

Kept it calm & questioned everything, but this part really scares the tinfoilhat out of me:

These challenges include:
- Operating outside the normal support mechanisms
- Adapting to unfamiliar terrain and social and economic conditions

de.scribd.com...

Outside the normal support? Unfamiliar terrain and social/ economic conditions?
What the? Err... is Texas really that harsh at this time of the year? Or is there something else still to be revealed?

Lots of closings recently (any rats leaving the boat?), five hour warnings ahead for five plumbing-issues at once (fear of fives anyone?) while there are already lots of Spec-Ops on the way south. But please ... who really wants to mess with Texas and deploys only 1200 soldiers straight into "hostile territory"? The FEDs obviously didnt intend to win any fight with one of the strongest militias they could possibly find, did they?
This might also be exactly that type of amount you could bring in - under disguise of some exercises - as a first response to any emergency you would expect and want to conceal as long as possible. Just dispose some more of those fancy warmachines into this full-blown police-state and the whole conspiracy crowd would go wild on roundups. Easy as pie.

Stay frosty, but dont jump into conclusions.

My first thought with a sleepless mind:

www.vox.com...

Consider ash-distribution in respect to the 5 Wallmart locations. even that one in Cali should stay safe within the 30mm range. Bear earthquake-swarms and clueless scientists in mind, winter might be coming faster as we think.

"It clearly is somehow related," Stickney said. "I'm not blaming the belts on Yellowstone, but the fact that they extend into and out of Yellowstone is not a coincidence."

Also perplexing, scientists say, is that the earthquakes are so far from tectonic plates on the West Coast.

"That's the fundamental question that we don't know," Stickney said. "It's related to plate tectonics, but no one knows why this is occurring so far from a plate boundary. Nobody understands why these belts are located where they are."

wtfwhydoesthislinknotwork?

Strange days indeed.

Cheers!

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: AboveBoard
Well , with most being right to work states is kind of a deal breaker on the unions. In a right to work state the company can just terminate you and hire someone else . The unions in these states are almost powerless. I was thinking that may be that the 4 states were not right to work and could not perhaps keep the unions out or out of the game. Which would explain why they closed those stores. But most are.And , just in case I have offended someone , I was shop steward for a major union for 10 years at the location where I worked and it was a right to work state

They can't fire you for organizing even in a right to work state. It's against federal law.

Really, the big giveaway here is their announcement that if and/or when they reopen everyone has to reapply. Obviously, that's not how an ethical business would operate if they were on the level about these being "plumbing problems" and nothing more.

Wrt to the pharmacy sign in and permits. (Reply fail)

I never worked for walmart, but I've worked in or on hundreds if not thousands of commercial maintenance and construction projects with all levels of security, and I can not think of one instance where a customer would be expected to sign in. It seems odd to me.

I think they just want to make sure they market them heavily to retain their business.

Many national corps like walmart use a maintenance service which subcontracts the work to local contractors. Work orders come from corporate and the site manager often has no idea who is coming when or why. Many of the subs are required to identify only as the GC. Where security is concerned, they typically require a call in to an automated system from the store.

Of course permits would be required. Any plumbing issue that would take 6 months needs 8 permits, an environmental impact study, safety plan, and much other hyperbole. If the problem required shutting off the water service, typically this is only done only by the city or county. Form filled out, fee paid.

In fact, even when performing emergency repairs, most jurisdictions expect you to get a permit after the fact, and only do so much work as to abate the emergency. Any modification requires updated construction drawings, signed and sealed ("wet stamped"), in triplicate, (one for site, one for GC, one for county or city records).

So could me down for doubting the plumbing story. If you own a business, and publicly shut down for repairs, and dont have a permit, they should have some splainin to do to a building inspector.


If they are sending a message to union organizers, it certainly is getting spread far and wide.

I've been in the Midland store several times over the last year. They stay real busy. There's no reason to lose a half years income over plumbing in that store. As much cash as they bring in they could have miners re-pipe the place from under the slab and still pull a profit.

I also saw that the employees of at least one of the stores were given two months severance pay.
I wonder if that's normal.

It's not as if Wal-Mart actually thought this was going to go unnoticed.

Or, maybe they did. The big busines/government/media/political/socio-manipulative establishment has been very good at underestimating the fringe groups as of late. By fringe, I mean all of those nutbags that insist upon honesty, hard work, integrity, lawful behavior and other such craziness.

I'm not saying it's a big false flag or fema / black ops takeover.

Just seems sorta....off.

It is pretty obvious that it's not your average money making decision that Wal-Mart has demonstrated for the last few decades.

Maybe they're setting up some deportation centers for after the next election.

a reply to: DelMarvel
The need to re-apply may be that the government pays a good percentage ( I think it varies from state to state) of the wages earned while in training

As I have thought about this , it is possible that a union is being formed right now. Think about it. They chose those 5 stores to be a starting point. Perhaps the store closings are actually due to Wal-Mart and employees have now entered contract negotiations to set up the Union . I imagine (from being a shop steward once upon a time) that to set up a union may take 6 months (if that is what they did , instead of setting up with an existing union). At which time the employees could reapply and be hired back under union contract.....makes sense

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: stellawayten
Fresno California walmart has plumbing problems which causes evacuation.
youtu.be...

How can there be so many incompetent plumbing contractors across this country? And, how the hell do they stay in business?

I'm an old software type with probably way too math behind me...but
The probability that 5 Walmart's would have the same issue is: 6.415e-24 ... almost non existent!

m.youtube.com...

Maybe it is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Perhaps we would do better if we started to connect the dots. Do a search of "images:picture mosaics". Maybe we each are blind and touching a different part of the elephant, or are focusing so hard on the pictures that appeal to us that we completely miss the total picture.

I think we are wasting an amazing resource we have here if we allow our egos and our petty differences to get in the way of what we all claim we come here for; the truth, enlightenment.

We have a great chance at finding additional puzzle pieces and ultimately solving the puzzle if we work together.

We don't have much time left. In fact it may already be too late, if they are able to bring in baby Bush, and allow the grand commander back into the White House through the side door.

Remember his promise of a new world order, if they are successful, " and we will be"?

I think the time has come that we decide on which pill we are going to take. If you want to go back to sleep, I truly understand why, and I bid you no ill will. I just hope that you don't deliberately, try to sabotage the efforts of those that choose otherwise.

originally posted by: Daughter2
I haven't read all 18 pages so I don't know if it's been posted but I can tell you Walmart certainly would close five stores to avoid even ONE store from being unionized. (I used to work for a large union).



They got in trouble in Canada for closing a store after it was unionized. So to make this one look a little less blatant, they took a few others with it. They would rather lose six months profits for 5 stores than see their wages increase indefinitely for all their stores.



It's also standard practice for unethical companies not to give any notice for layoffs. You don't want pissed off employees who already know they are losing their job in your store for two weeks. It's not like Target or Walgreen are going to call Walmart for a reference.

When they closed the store in Canada did they give 5 hour notice or was it something like a few weeks? Just wondering. (I'm talking about the entire staff, management included, and closing the store that day)

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Why is it that there needs to be some governmental connection? I'm not saying there isn't, but, given the available data, there is simply no connection, at this time.

It would see that IF, and I stress the "IF", there is anything at all going on, it would be the reluctance of Walmart to accept the "handwriting" on the wall about higher wages for their employees. Making this whole thing a ploy to de-rail any attempts at unionization, and of course higher wages.

What needs to be looked at here is the motivations involved...some tenuous governmental operation, or the saving of 100's of millions in cold hard profit...

The closing of those 5 stores represents just about nothing in the overall corporate income, and if they are the "hotbeds" of a unionization attempt, the shutting down of those stores will remove the union influence, and make it harder for that influence to re-enter.

Think of it as a possible psyop by Walmart; making employees afraid to stand up for themselves...

All the talk about a government involvement is mostly chaff, and a distraction from what is really going on.

originally posted by: tanka418
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn


The closing of those 5 stores represents just about nothing in the overall corporate income, and if they are the "hotbeds" of a unionization attempt, the shutting down of those stores will remove the union influence, and make it harder for that influence to re-enter.

Think of it as a possible psyop by Walmart; making employees afraid to stand up for themselves...

All the talk about a government involvement is mostly chaff, and a distraction from what is really going on.

Yep, a few years ago a couple of butchers decided to organize a Walmart union. Guess what Walmart did? Decide they weren't going to have butchers in ALL their stores.

Walmart will do pretty much ANYTHING to stop unions.

If theirs a conspiracy, it shows Walmart's focus is not necessarily the bottom line for their stores but a focus on destroying the middle class.

It's quite possible this is just all about profit margin. Could be they say plumbing because they don't want to worry any stock holders/investors.

I came across this article this morning: www.msn.com...

Kroger's natural foods, meat, deli and pharmacy departments all posted double-digit percentage same-store sales growth last year. Investors have subsequently pushed shares up 66% in the past year, compared to 3.2% and 36% gains for Wal-Mart and Target, respectively.

Then I had to make a Walmart run this morning to pick up a few things. There was a sign on the door that starting this month (April) they are no longer going to be 24 hours a day and will start closing at 12am and reopening at 6 am. The place has been 24 hours a day, pretty much since it opened, I believe.

Meanwhile the Fry's Grocery (a division of Kroger) down the street continues to be a 24 hour a day operation. Perhaps this connects a few more dots.

originally posted by: Osiris1953
a reply to: Black_Fox

They need six months to bury dissident employees who want a living wage under the foundations. Those rascally Waltons, they'll get you every time.

If this was the motive, then there needs to be a special place in hell for such "capitalists."

I just cannot understand people who already have millions or billions not being willing to share some of the profits more with employees who are part of the backbone of a company.

Before people start saying that is "socialist" thinking, employees help keep a company running and generating profit, to give them a living wage and basically sharing in the very same profit is not "socialist," it is simply ethical.

Ring ring...

W - Hi, this is Walton speaking, who am I talking to?

G - Hi Walton, this is the Government, what's cracking!?

W - Well hello there.. Not much, just chillin in my dom pérignon filled bathtub.

W - What can I help you guys with this time?

G - That sounds relaxing, is there any room for one more, lol, just kidding.

G - Well you see, we are in the planning phase of a big 8 week long exercise which is going to start on july 15th. It’s a realistic military training exercise and it’s going to be conducted outside of federally owned property in, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado. Maybe also, Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida...

W - THIS TASTES LIKE #, bring me another one you idiot.

G - Sorry, what was that?

W - Oh, I wasn't talking to you, sorry for that.. One of my butlers brought me a really #ty-tasting dry martini.

G - Typical, anyway, where was I.. Yeah, we basically want to borrow some of your stores during this exercise. Do you think that’s possible?

W - You mean like relief supplies and disaster recovery, like we helped you with before?

G - Yeah, kind of, but this time we would appreciate if we could use the whole store. For like housing, supplies and so forth, and yeah, we are talking around
5 locations, preferably in or near the states mentioned.

W - Well, I know we are listed as a recovery support function and that you have the right to use our supplies in a case of emergency, but rendering 5 of our stores useless during a exercise is that really necessary?

G - You can never be too prepared, right!? Preparedness is key, you of all would know that with all the current protests and labour unions harassing your business.

W - Preparedness, you say.. Well, when you put it that way I think we can make something work that will benefit both parties. Let me talk to my people and I’ll get back to you on this.

G - Sounds good Walton, always a pleasure doing business with you.

W - Likewise, talk to you soon, bye.

G - Bye

Starting with the smallest town of the five, Livingston, TX, there doesn't seem to be much there. It's a town of around 5,000 people and the Walmart there employes about 400 people. They don't seem to be pushing to unionize at this location.

It is about 78 miles from the Port of Houston. They get water from Lake Livingston, which, if I am reading correctly, is at 100% capacity. So, lack of water as one poster mentioned does not seem to be the problem here.

It is on US-59 which is now part of the new Interstate 69 corridor under construction, called the NAFTA Superhighway, and the Walmart is located on this highway. en.wikipedia.org...

According to the Deep East Texas Council of Governments, I-69 is a "future NAFTA Superhighway".[19] It will enter the U.S. from the Mexican state of Tamaulipas.[20] Other potential corridors Texas officials identified several other possible TTC corridors in the long-range plan. Interstate 10 through the southern part of the state, Interstate 20 from east of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex to I-10 near Midland, along an extended Interstate 27 through western Texas

I'm just throwing this out there to my fellow ATSers to see if location might be a factor to consider.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Black_Fox

that does seem odd?? no permits for any wok...and no one is going to get six months to fix a bathroom problem, they can build a WHOLE walmart in under a year....the stores are fully stocked and they just closed and the employees were just let go with 5 hour notice.

Yep, something more is going on for sure.

Closing with no planning in advance is not something Walmart does unless there is something catastrophically wrong and I doubt "plumbing" would be that reason as Walmart is very strict on contractors and time-tables.

You are correct about their construction time tables and oversight. I was the lead inspector for materials testing on 2 of them. They're almost as neurotic as Home Depot about it. And Home Depots are by far the worst projects I've ever been on.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Well anyway Yellowstone is a new idea so why not think about it.
Ash distribution from your link, closed stores from indigent's post, JDhelm from Anonamouscitizen(sp) post

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: stellawayten
Fresno California walmart has plumbing problems which causes evacuation.
youtu.be...

How can there be so many incompetent plumbing contractors across this country? And, how the hell do they stay in business?

I'm an old software type with probably way too math behind me...but
The probability that 5 Walmart's would have the same issue is: 6.415e-24 ... almost non existent!

m.youtube.com...

Maybe it is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Perhaps we would do better if we started to connect the dots. Do a search of "images:picture mosaics". Maybe we each are blind and touching a different part of the elephant, or are focusing so hard on the pictures that appeal to us that we completely miss the total picture.

I think we are wasting an amazing resource we have here if we allow our egos and our petty differences to get in the way of what we all claim we come here for; the truth, enlightenment.

We have a great chance at finding additional puzzle pieces and ultimately solving the puzzle if we work together.

We don't have much time left. In fact it may already be too late, if they are able to bring in baby Bush, and allow the grand commander back into the White House through the side door.

Remember his promise of a new world order, if they are successful, " and we will be"?

I think the time has come that we decide on which pill we are going to take. If you want to go back to sleep, I truly understand why, and I bid you no ill will. I just hope that you don't deliberately, try to sabotage the efforts of those that choose otherwise.

Thanks a lot for sharing!

So there is a big unterground tunnel-system right at the spot and Wallmart's are used as staging-points?
Well... then forget my "only 1200 soldiers" point, we actually don't know what is happening down there, do we?

I've seen some tunnels in one of those Jessie Ventura shows, but this seems to be VERY real and astonishingly big.



Dunno if this map is just something made up for the lulz, but it may give us another dot to connect.

Cheers!

a reply to: Char-Lee

U feel me, thanks for putting the pics in one single post.
I'm still working out how to posts them correctly.

Cheers!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Char-Lee

U feel me, thanks for putting the pics in one single post.
I'm still working out how to posts them correctly.

Cheers!

Thanks I added that map too, there does seem to be a lot of overlap in the areas doesn't there.

I love a good conspiracy, too, but the more I research, the more I think this is related to tax advantages, and Walmart Real Estate Business Trust business decisions. But, that's just me. I will continue to read this thread and keep an open mind for other possibilities.