Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

a reply to: Vaedur

if they have no water, they can't stay open.

They build whole stores in less than 6 Months.

originally posted by: Maverick1
a reply to: Rocker2013


Just for the record,( and forgive me if it has been pointed out already in this thread) Wal-mart already is phasing in the higher starting wages this month...voluntarily. It hasn't been 'forced to comply'. The higher wages go in effect next week. Somewhat ironically, given the closing of these stores, morale among a LOT of the associates is higher than it has been in some time.

That said, I do agree with you in general. This may just be a rather covert way of streamlining the company to accommodate or offset that.

Typical of Wal-mart to be a bit less than forthright with it's true intentions though.

5 stores closing does not off set the pay increase haha..

0.05% of the stores are closing all at once for plumbing issues. That's 1/20th of 1% of their stores, using the odd number of 9,000 stores. I am guessing at that. It could be 8,500.. But I know it's in the ball park.

The raise to 100% of employees.. Those numbers don't come close to matching up at all..


I can't believe Wal-Mart throws you guys (us) a gem and you guys (us) aren't even wanting to look at it..
obvious lies obviously bring obvious questions.

Having been involved in construction trades (specifically the mechanical trades) all my working career I can say with some authority that replacing even the main plumbing lines would not take 6 months.

With moving and replacing stock, concrete cutting, trenching, demolition of existing lines, inspections and replacing concrete and finishes the job should be something like 3-6 weeks depending on overtime or straight time authorizations and it can be done even quicker if local inspection authority is cooperative and union work rules are not in place.

6 months to fix plumbing problem no matter the scope is definitely a bogus reason for the store closures.

Why the closings is certainly a matter for conjecture.

a reply to: KnightLight

You dont seem to know what you are talking about...there are only 5000 stores in the US and the wage increase has been planned for awhile, closing the stores doesnt affect that in the slightest.

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: KnightLight

You dont seem to know what you are talking about...there are only 5000 stores in the US and the wage increase has been planned for awhile, closing the stores doesnt affect that in the slightest.

5,000 is not the number I was talking about for Global profits coming in. For instance in 2010 they had 8,400 or so stores..

And I said CLOSING the stores WILL NOT affect it in the slightest. I did a little math showing the insanely small amount 5 stores could possibly affect anything at all money wise..

don't get goofy on me now.


I spelled out earlier that I am watching powers try to make riots in America. I explained what Special Forces (green berets) actually do. Why would I be talking about these things?

double...



EDIT I'll use this space for a reply to Phoenix right above talking about construction times..

Exactly.

a reply to: Char-Lee

I can see three footers hiding in the day coming out at night suck down a few stockers

Ok, that is officially scarier than the other possibilities! Aliens, hostile world takeover, that I can handle...but giant roaches? Oh. Hell. No.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
Again, this did not happen recently. Hence the title "Black Friday Protests Planned at Walmarts". It is interesting that a couple of the same stores are among the ones closing, though. Looks like I'll be doing some reading between customers this afternoon, then.

These closings happened on the 13th. There were national protests in support of higher wages on the 15th. This included Walmart employees. One of the main cities where this is being pushed is Los Angeles. I already posted a link earlier to where a union pointed out that the first strike against Walmart occurred at this store in LA that was closed.

Do you really think all activism among the employees of these stores just suddenly stopped last Christmas?

originally posted by: Black_Fox
I have no real idea where to post this, I guess as its going on now, its current.

(PrisonPLanet)-Five different stores suddenly announced they were shutting up shop all for the same reason.

Walmarts in Pico Rivera, California, Livingston, Texas, Midland, Texas, Brandon, Florida, and Tulsa, Oklahoma, all made the announcement.

www.prisonplanet.com...

Yes,Im aware, prison Planet makes people roll their eyes,but this time, I've actually looked these up, and ya its accurate.

It's strange and im putting this out there for people to discuss.
Im presenting the videos Ive found,not endorsing them.
So,dont shoot the messenger.

Any talks of unions? That could be the underlying issue.

a reply to: s1ngular1ty

NJ eh? Funny...it just so happens that my adoptive dad was from Matawan, so I'm sporting a NJ SS#. Small world

The fact that Texas was labeled "hostile" is extremely alarming to me. I'm currently living in a different state, but I have a lot of family and close friends all over TX and if they were to suddenly secede I really doubt if I'd see them again...I think they'd be trapped there. Or they'd be free and the rest of us trapped, depending how you look at it. Ditto the possibility if the unthinkable happens and Texas is classified as "hostile" for real. It is really sobering to think about how quickly TPTB could divide and subvert us if that is their intention.

I hate the term "doom porn". It is so dismissive and insulting...but then, it is meant to be. I rarely join discussions about these things; I typically read over the posts and flag if they pique my interest, but this one hits way too close to home (literally), and jives with a lot of just bizarre, weird things that have been going on since the late fall of 2012. I think it's a mistake for people to dismiss things as routine or normal when there is a distinct possibility that the exact polar opposite is true. I'd rather be mocked as a purveyor of "doom porn" than be a sitting duck, any day of the week. And you're right...it IS straight BS. Something is up. No one is going to convince me to trust anything anymore...and that's something that, if you told me 10 years ago I'd be saying, I would have laughed at you. Truth.

a reply to: DelMarvel

i can tell you one thing for certain: in Midland, TX you will not get people protesting higher wages. Ain't gonna happen. So if the theory is that wal mart is "removing the squeaky wheel"....that isn't quite true in Midland.

Matter of fact, oil business likely has driven wages up naturally. If they want to employ people....they have to pay or no one will apply. The local McDonalds is hiring at $12/hr.

I would sooner beileve that wal mart just didn't see enough profit margin after labor costs, to be honest.

a reply to: Thorneblood

You do realize that the basic flaw in the argument you have presented is that there are Wal Marts everywhere, so why those 5 specific Wal Marts

No actually I don't see any flaws in my argument but I see a lot in your. I have already described possible reasons behind why they have chosen those particular stores out of many others in the involved states, due to high concentration of pro-union employees (protest at one of the locations last november) and employees with higher salaries (more experience) compared to other stores, and that they are in near proximity to red areas on the map (see exercise) and the deployment of government personnel. I genuinely believe that the closed locations have a part in the planned Jade Helm 15 exercise and that the rapid closing with a bogus reason also can be a psychological aspect related to the coming exercise.

Re-itirating the same argument over and over doesn't make it correct

Same goes for you bud..

It would have been cheaper and easier logistically for them to just rent an abandoned store front of which I am certain there are many to choose from

Sure, and other members have also stated that there is infact abandoned buildings that could be used instead. But that's not of importance, because Walmart, Home depot and other private companies are considered as Recovery Support Functions (RSFs) and government agencies are working tightly with these companies as well as other essential private structures that can be useful in a case of emergency. Another aspect regarding the rapid closing of 5 stores with a bogus reason behind them is the psychological aspect and discomfort it will bring people living near these locations. This is all interconnected with the planned exercise. They are probably already collecting enormous amounts of data connected to the released news regarding the planned Jade Helm 15, and the sudden closing of 5 stores in the vicinity of the checkpoints during the exercise.

I would suggest they get tested immeadiately for exposure.

Yes absolutely, because these 5 stores probably got fish that has been grown inside the cooling tanks at Fukushima. Its pretty amusing to see that you think radiation is a more likely reason behind the bogus plumbing statement than that the stores are going to be used in the exercise.

a reply to: midlandghost

The lack of major stations covering this is suspicious in and of itself, in my opinion. Possibly deliberate, so any talk of the subject can be dismissed as just more of that silly 'doom porn"? Plausible deniability? Hillary and her fake Twitter followers, the never-ending coverage on the latest shortcomings of the dude in the big white house et al....never fail to provide a captivating public distraction...at this point I would honestly not be shocked if someone broadcast live, streaming footage of people being shuttled into detention facilities by the truckloads and people out there ignored it in favor of the newest juicy gossip on whomever is currently the societal flavor of the week. Desensitization is a powerful tool, because it actually works...just ask any allergist.

a reply to: Rocker2013

What others here are conveniently ignoring is that there are hundreds of Walmart locations in these states alone.

What makes you think other members are ignoring this fact? It's basic knowledge that Walmart have stores all over the place and more than 2 in Texas for example. Brining this up as a self-fulfilling statement to straighten your arguments is not gonna help you, because nobody have ignored the facts you imply.

Maybe Walmarts business is having trouble (but i bet not) and maybe they feel like they need to close stores out of financial reasons, but that doesn't contradict that the 5 stores can have connections to the Jade Helm 15 exercise. Other members have also stated that some of the locations (could be all for all I know) are very lucrative places with high number of costumers.

It's more likely that there is a genuine plumbing problem at these stores

Name logic reasons behind a sudden plumbing problem at 5 locations, in different states, at the same time, extending 6 months, when the stores have been build 5-20 years apart, and with zero permits filed.. I would love to hear those reasons.

Cedar Lake Contemporary Ballet, the avant-garde New York ballet company founded and funded by Walmart heiress Nancy Walton Laurie, is closing down after a dozen years in Chelsea, the Observer has learned exclusively. The company, run by artistic director Alexandra Damiani, alerted employees this afternoon, a representative for the company confirmed.

observer.com...

The article above provides more insight, but it sounds like the Wal-Mart heirs are battening the hatches.

Also, I *finally* made an account just so I could reply to this thread and thus is my first ever post.

If you don’t believe that the closed Walmart stores may be used in the upcoming Jade Helm 15, 8 week exercise, you might wanna read the documents below.

National Disaster Recovery Framework - Strengthening Disaster Recovery for the Nation
www.fema.gov...

The private sector and especially big stores like Walmart and Home depot are considered Recovery Support Functions (RSFs)

The RSFs are six groupings of core recovery capabilities that provide a structure to facilitate problem solving, improve access to resources, and foster coordination among State and Federal agencies, nongovernmental partners and stakeholders. Each RSF has coordinating and primary Federal agencies and supporting organizations that operate together with local, State and Tribal government officials, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) and private sector partners. The concepts of the FDRCs, SDRCs, TDRCs and RSFs are scalable to the nature and size of the disaster.

Fundamentally, the NDRF is a construct to optimally engage existing Federal resources and authorities, and to incorporate the full capabilities of all sectors in support of community recovery. The effective implementation of the NDRF, whether or not in the context of a Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act) declaration, requires strong coordination across all levels of government, NGOs and the private sector.

The National Disaster Recovery Framework (NDRF) describes the concepts and principles that promote effective Federal recovery assistance. It identifies scalable, flexible and adaptable coordinating structures to align key roles and responsibilities. It links local, State, Tribal and Federal governments, the private sector and nongovernmental and community organizations that play vital roles in recovery. The NDRF captures resources, capabilities and best practices for recovering from a disaster. It recognizes that significant challenges confront all recovery efforts, from a relatively localized incident to a large-scale disaster that demands substantial resources. Importantly, the NDRF is intended to address disasters of all kinds and sources, whether it is a major Presidentially-declared disaster or a non-Presidentially declared incident.

Building resilience through public-private partnerships
www.fema.gov...

Appendix II: Template for Private Sector Integration into Community Preparedness, page 23.

This document provides a template for integrating the private sector into governmental homeland security and emergency management programs. Over the past decade, government and the private sector have worked together to improve coordination before, during, and after incidents. These efforts have achieved varying degrees of success. Where we see the most success, it is evident that, with government and the private sector working together, there is a mutual benefit that results in a more vigilant, prepared and resilient community.

Public-Private Partnerships in Homeland Security: Opportunities and Challenges
www.hsaj.org...

The Emergence of Public-Private Partnerships in Homeland Security

Wal-Mart was instrumental in providing relief supplies – blankets, plastic tarpaulins, batteries, flashlights, water, and non-perishable food – to Gulf residents immediately following Katrina’s impact

Emergency Management

Wal-Mart is proficient in logistics; that is, efficiently moving and distributing large quantities of goods over a wide geographic area. In anticipation of the storm’s impact in 2005, Wal-Mart deployed trucks full of relief supplies.
A local official even suggested that FEMA use Wal-Mart’s response as a model for its own efforts.60 In the midst of a significant disaster, Wal-Mart filled governmental gaps in disaster recovery capabilities.

Collaborative Planning as a Tool for Strengthening Local Emergency Management
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Walmart is mentioned on page 32.

Private companies ranging from insurance companies to large companies such as Walmart, Lowes and Home Depot to specific disaster recovery firms (e.g., companies that provide secure, online backup and recovery solutions for servers, desktop and notebook computers, copies that provide communication technologies or that building restoration services)

DOD Information Sharing with Domestic Emergency Partners for DSCA Missions
oai.dtic.mil...

Walmart is menioned 2 times, page 14 and 15

Another group of seemingly unlikely disaster relief partners include corporations. Walmart is the world‟s number one retailer, with over 2.1 million employees and over 8,300 stores

Walmart realized through this effort that better coordination with other entities and officials would enable a larger percentage of the post-disaster population to be served better. An example of wasted resources cited by Koon relates a water distribution point set up by emergency management facilities in the same parking lot as a temporary store, which also had supplies of water. Meanwhile, there were other areas in the same county that were more than ten miles away from any water distribution points. The point Koon makes is that Walmart and emergency management officials should share data about where they were distributing supplies so that the duplication of effort could be reduced and underserved areas better accommodated.

The State of Public Administration: Issues, Challenges, and Opportunities - Emergency and crisis management
books.google.se... K5y0tgdu5Vh3utHNA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Walmart is mentioned on page 207, under "Lessons learned"

Predisaster planning for FEMA trailer parks, transitional housing to move survivors from emergency shelters to permanent housing, partnerships with large retail forms such as Walmart for the provision of water, ice, and food

IN THE DARK Military Planning for a Catastrophic Critical Infrastructure Event
www.csl.army.mil...

Walmart is mentioned on page 28.

Q: What kind of monetary process is in placed/planned if the banking system fails? A: We are working very closely with the banking system to ensure bases are covered. It may very well be that organizations (Red Cross, Walmart) will be provided those resources to provide for the local community. This is more effective and efficient than the government trying to provide food, bedding and lumber, or logistical stuff, unless there is no system or organizations in place to do so.

Wal Mart is losing ground and the closings might just be loser stores but who really cares?? If my local Wallyworld closed the only thing I would notice is ,is,is ??? Probably nothing I only need to go The People of Wal Mart website to give me reasons to avoid the place. 5's A good start!

a reply to: DelMarvel

These closings happened on the 13th. There were national protests in support of higher wages on the 15th. This included Walmart employees. One of the main cities where this is being pushed is Los Angeles. I already posted a link earlier to where a union pointed out that the first strike against Walmart occurred at this store in LA that was closed.

Do you really think all activism among the employees of these stores just suddenly stopped last Christmas?

I was under the impression that Walmart made the transition to higher wages all by themselves, without being forced to do it. In fact, if i'm not mistaken, there have been several people on this thread who have posted that information. So yes, I think the activism probably stopped. If the company complied and changed the wages voluntarily and solved the wage dispute there is no reason to keep protesting, correct? So again, this doesn't appear to be related in any way to something that was reported on November 15th of last year. Which was the date the articles were written in the links you provided as a reason for these particular five stores to be closed down now, in the present, which is the topic of this thread. Right?

ETA: To be clear, I am referring to the source articles in each one of the links you posted. That includes the store in CA that is being closed. The protests were specifically planned for Black Friday, and both articles were written mid-November of last year; before christmas...not sure why you chose christmas as a point of reference, but at any rate, there you have it. One dated the 14th and the other on the 15th of Nov. 2014.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
I would honestly not be shocked if someone broadcast live, streaming footage of people being shuttled into detention facilities by the truckloads

Nonesensical Doom Porn. In my opinion.

Maybe a notch above chemtrails and Zetatalk but just barely.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: DelMarvel

These closings happened on the 13th. There were national protests in support of higher wages on the 15th. This included Walmart employees. One of the main cities where this is being pushed is Los Angeles. I already posted a link earlier to where a union pointed out that the first strike against Walmart occurred at this store in LA that was closed.

Do you really think all activism among the employees of these stores just suddenly stopped last Christmas?

I was under the impression that Walmart made the transition to higher wages all by themselves, without being forced to do it. In fact, if i'm not mistaken, there have been several people on this thread who have posted that information. So yes, I think the activism probably stopped. If the company complied and changed the wages voluntarily and solved the wage dispute there is no reason to keep protesting, correct? So again, this doesn't appear to be related in any way to something that was reported on November 15th of last year. Which was the date the articles were written in the links you provided as a reason for these particular five stores to be closed down now, in the present, which is the topic of this thread. Right?

This is what some employees in LA are saying now:

Venanzi Luna was one of 530 employees told Monday that the store is closing for six months to fix plumbing issues.Luna has worked as a deli manager at the store for seven years getting paid $14 an hour. She explains that she was slated to get a raise in June. “Everybody was crying. It was very emotional being in there,” said Luna, who explains that there is no guarantee she’ll get back the same job. Luna says that as a member with the Organization United for Respect at Walmart, a group funded by the Food Workers Union, she has led strikes and sit-ins. Pico Rivera has been a hotbed for worker activism as protests took place there for higher wages. Luna wonders if Walmart was targeting the workers who spoke out. “This is the first store that went on strike. This is the first store in demanding changes for Walmart,” she said.

losangeles.cbslocal.com...