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ISIS training camp only eight miles from Texas border

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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:38 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask



It's actually more of the fact that you keep running off at the mouth and still haven't disapproving anything that was in the report


The article proves nothing, so there is nothing for him to disprove. Can you indicate anything in the article that can be factually proven? If so please explain. You are asking him to disprove when there is no proof.



Keep talking about how you hate the right wing and anything that comes out of the right wing yet you cannot disprove the information


Once again, can YOU prove the information to be true?



So really your whole argument is invalid


His argument is valid, yours is invalid as you are asking him to disprove something that has not been proven, do you get it yet?



Not only that you look ignorant for dismissing information off hand just cause you don't like the source


I always attack the content, not the source. But the content and source are both suspect. The site itself is a click-bate and donate setup. The fact that you can't see this and are taking this article as the word of god is rather frightening.

This whole thread is actually quite sad in the way that so many people are falling for unproven allegations that in my opinion are nothing more than SEO click-bate trap.

Looks like the article has made its rounds and done quite well for itself.

I hope you all donated lol.




posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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ISIS guys don't speak Urdu.

Not even the same language family.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Eight solid years of Evil Muslims crossing from Mexico?

They wouldn't seem to be particularly dangerous, then.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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So. surely they've been bombed out by now, right?
We all know Obama wouldn't allow this.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
So. surely they've been bombed out by now, right?
We all know Obama wouldn't allow this.


There is no "they"...this is quite clearly a fake story. I agree with you on the Obama part--and the cartel wouldn't allow it, either.

Now if the hoaxer had said a tent full of executed ISIS wannabes was found, that I'd believe, because that would be their most likely fate at the hand of the drug cabals.

As the above poster said, the cartels wouldn't jeopardize their livelihood to help "an ISIS cell" over the border.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: Zephyranth
a reply to: Boadicea

Eight solid years of Evil Muslims crossing from Mexico?


Well, that's when I was told such, not when it began, so actually longer. And I can't say they're all evil... I can't say they're all not evil. My best guess is both and everything in between. I can certainly see how Muslim women especially would want to leave the misogyny of the middle eastern countries behind them. I can also certainly see how terrorists would exploit that weakness for their advantage.


They wouldn't seem to be particularly dangerous, then.


That would depend on who you talk to. For example, after a man in Phoenix was beheaded in a drug deal gone wrong, it was blamed on a drug cartel with heavy influence from Islamists in Mexico (Hezbollah) by some. It might also depend on what the terrorists' plans are.... We've all heard about the so-called sleeper cells here in the U.S. They may just be biding their time. They haven't consulted with me, so I don't know. Of course, the Feds and state authorities don't consult me either...

What I do know is that we cannot trust our authorities -- much less terrorists -- any farther than we can throw them, so I don't expect to hear the truth from them anyway.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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The story is mostly hoax. Sorry doom-porn junkies.

Is ISIS in Mexico and planning to cross the border?
politifact.com


The report is from Judicial Watch, a conservative media website, and it claims that "Islamic terrorist groups are operating in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and planning to attack the United States with car bombs or other vehicle borne improvised explosive devices," citing several anonymous "high-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources."

We couldn’t find any other media outlets that independently verified the story, and no federal officials would corroborate its claims, either.

Without knowing anything about Judicial Watch’s sources -- such as rank or agency -- it’s hard for us to assess the article’s credibility. In an interview with PolitiFact, Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton would not go into any further detail.

The article says the Department of Homeland Security did not respond to their multiple requests.

We asked Homeland Security about the threat in Juarez, and they said, "There is no credible intelligence to suggest that there is an active plot by (ISIS) to attempt to cross the southern border."


Claim: Between four and ten ISIS members have been arrested at the U.S.-Mexico border.
snopes.com


The claims by Judicial Watch of an "imminent" attack "coming very soon" were made on 31 August 2014, and Hunter's statements came more than a month later. No such attack or confirmed attempt to cross the border by members of ISIS occurred in the intervening weeks between the "bulletin" and Hunter's appearance on Fox News to substantiate beliefs that ISIS either had crossed or had intended to cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

No reports of any arrests matching the claims made by Hunter or Judicial Watch materialized in the time the rumor has been circulating, and it seems safe to say at this remove that the 36-hour timeframe has come and gone without incident.

Judicial Watch similarly claimed in an April 2015 article that "ISIS is operating a camp just a few miles from El Paso, Texas," "in an area known as 'Anapra' situated just west of Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua." This information is apparently unknown to every source other than Judicial Watch, as several federal law agencies involved with border security said the report is unverified, and that it is unlikely that ISIS is in Anapra or Juarez, Mexico.


"Judicial Watch" continues to push this claim, without a shred of proof. Their past claims, such as the one above, have proven to be false. I don't see why their newest claim should prove to be any truer than the last one.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable


It is hard to find "Anonymous Sources" credible in an article page plastered with "DONATE" buttons.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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So...

Anyone down with a road trip to Mexico to check this out? At the very least we could hit up some bars and have a good time.

It's Mexico people, this should be something easy to prove or disprove. This isn't on the other side of the planet. If ISIS is in Mexico, I would imagine they might potentially clash with the cartels.

The cartels need drug-hungry American customers. ISIS would be bad for business.

The cartels wouldn't allow ISIS in Mexico.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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I don't see why their newest claim should prove to be any truer than the last one.


Cause obama is putting the welcome mat out and judicial watch has the balls to show it, duuuh



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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Couldn't a few satellite photos verify this?



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Guess that means ATS is nothing but lies and misinformation, seeing as how there is a donate button. Or does this rule only apply when it works toward Progressive confirmation bias?

Granted, there are tremendous amounts of lies and misinformation spread around here...but you get my point.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

This is an open forum, with user driven content.
Is that the same as judicial watch?

a reply to: IAMTAT



Yes it could, but I wouldn't hold your breath.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Your argument requires the assumption that Mexican cartels always base their decisions on sound business practice. We are talking about murderous thugs who routinely antagonize authorities with public displays of violence, just to make a few bucks.

If anyone can buy the cooperation of the cartels, the oil-funded ISIS crazies can do it.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: Indigo5

Guess that means ATS is nothing but lies and misinformation, seeing as how there is a donate button. Or does this rule only apply when it works toward Progressive confirmation bias?

Granted, there are tremendous amounts of lies and misinformation spread around here...but you get my point.


the difference is that we tend to police ourselves when the BS gets to gooey around the ankles here on ATS....as members we sharply critique each other when facts do not rise up to the believable level. not only that, members will go out and research from a variety of government websites and public news sources. both/or many sides to a statement or argument are explored in one thread...not a repeated dogma of one-way thinking.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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I never attested to the veracity of the story or the credibility of Judicial Watch. Then move this to the hoax bin. But just promise me it will be brought back if a half dozen coordinated noontime beheadings occur by ISIS members on innocent civilians in Texas border towns.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

No, it's not the same. ATS is far more useful to someone who wants to spread false truths.

Judicial Watch has an agenda just like every media outlet. To say that alone makes them 100% untrustworthy is to say that no story from any source can be trusted.

I get tired of reading reply after reply with nothing to add but denial born of confirmation bias. If a story can be debunked, by all means let's hear it.
If it can't be debunked it is worthy of discussion.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

While some may think it is 100% untrustworthy, I don't.
I am sure there is some half truths in this and other articles, just sensationalized to the max.

But to turn around and take their word for it is the same amount of confirmation bias no?

IMO this gets debunked when all roads lead back to JW who have nothing substantial to show for the claim out side of some 'mexican officals'

Cause you know how often those guys just share info with people.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

The cartels are highly organized and even may have ties to the CIA.

They really are all about their profit and drug running, the leaders aren't dumb apes with guns.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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It appears that the Judicial Watch article is unverifiable as some on here have stated and is reiterated in this UK Independent article, which in itself also a shady publication. Since CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. are shedding no light on this, we can call it pure bunk. Because the MSM is so reputable and trustworthy.

"In a bid to investigate the reports, El Paso-based ABC-7 News contacted a number of federal agencies linked to border security and was told “the report is unverified, and it is unlikely that Isis is in Anapra or Juarez, Mexico”."
www.independent.co.uk... rom-the-us-border-10177841.html




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