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originally posted by: jrod
originally posted by: LoveSolMoonDeath
Naive. Unless you live in a perfect world. Remove all authority figures in a society and watch it being taken over by tugs in a matter of days. Fine tuned balance between freedom/'social order' is hard to acheve but should be the goal though.
I believe it is naive to think society will quickly regress with the removal of "all authority figures."
--I really do think so. Unless you live in a very low density area, you'll need a group of people to maintain order. Else they'll be people grouping to fight/abuse others. Inevitable because of the human nature. You may be a nice guy but there are a$$ out there thrust me. Yes I'm sure you can defend yourself, but do you want to always live on the edge with your family?
I do not know where you live, but the police where I live do very little to maintain order and justice.
--That's bad since we all should have confidence to be treated fairly by police.
The reasons why aware people call the police over a crime is often to protect themselves or their assets(a police report is often required for an insurance claim).
--And it's ok. Police is there to protect people and assets. Police report also minimize the number of false claim to insurance, keeping the cost from raising from many many frauds. I've seen alot myself and the cost is automatically shared between other honest insured peep like you and me.
Many naive people call the police over a variety of stupid reasons, like their neighbor playing the music to loud, or see something they deem suspicious because they have been brainwashed to live in fear and spy on thy neighbor.
--Yes some abuse. But police officer must use discernment. Complait does not equal ticket or arrestation. It must be founded. Many are made by intolerant/insecure people and are often 'talked down'
We can police our own no problem. An illusion has been created any too many brainwashed and naive people have been sold on the idea we need an aggressive militarized police force to act as judge, jury, and too often executioner.
--Wow! you live with different police forces that I know of surely. That is sad. I understand police force does not and should not equal military organisation. Each have it's own purpose. I don't beleive in an all out citizen policing. In fact, a lot if not most of the job is to stop these kind of escalations.
Catching criminals actually does generate revenue. When a person is arrested the police department/sheriff's office is paid restitution from the suspect just as the victims are. This money goes directly to the police department.
originally posted by: The Vagabond
As we've covered, whether you choose to believe it or not, there is money in busting those who have none for several reasons, the biggest of which is federal subsidy of for-profit law enforcement, followed by seizure of property from offenders and victims alike (when your stolen car is recovered you pay for towing, you pay for impound- you're lucky if you spend 500 dollars just to have the battered remains of your car scrapped), followed by criminal and welfare funds being paid by the criminals to keep the police temporarily off their back. You may be a meth head living out of flop houses- i've known the type- most of the time they beg borrow and steal just to get by, but every once in a while they get a thousand bucks in pocket from some wheeling and dealing or a family member trying to help out- and in many cases they do swat the state with a couple hundred in that case to clear up their bench warrants and borrow a little more time before their next arrest.
They want these people to continue their participation in the criminal economy- that's why we have a catch and release program- so you can sell the feds the same slave 3, 5, maybe 10 times in his life.