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Russia lifts ban on delivering missile-defence system to Iran

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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: mSparks43

Too bad that never happened. No F-22 has been shot down.




posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

how could it? they weren't even there....


as I said earlier. take a look at the latest Mil reports on the latest passive radars.

you can't jam them
and the level of stealth from active radar is irrelevant.

it's why the f22 was cancelled. and why the us had to back off with its aggression in the middle east.

meanwhile. china used more concrete in the last 3 years than the us did in the last 100.
and you guys think not being able to invade Iran is your biggest worry?

and that by pretending you still could will make a blind bit of difference?
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:05 AM
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One of the source articles never appeared on that website among other major problems.

And passive radar STILL doesn't give you a precise location or the ability to fire a missile. It had nothing to do with why the F-22 was canceled. If it did they never would have built it in the first place.

It always makes me laugh when people go on about how stealth is obsolete, hey everyone is building stealth platforms as fast as they can.

How is the level of stealth from active radar irrelevant?

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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mSparks43

One of the source articles never appeared on that website among other major problems.

And passive radar STILL doesn't give you a precise location or the ability to fire a missile. It had nothing to do with why the F-22 was canceled. If it did they never would have built it in the first place.

It always makes me laugh when people go on about how stealth is obsolete, hey everyone is building stealth platforms as fast as they can.

How is the level of stealth from active radar irrelevant?


because part of the passive radar system is IR systems.

does it have a heat signature?
does it move the air?

if so it can be tracked and locked onto.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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And IR is extremely short range, and can be partially masked to make it even shorter. You're not going to pick up an F-22 or B-2 at any kind of range with any IR system currently built anywhere in the world.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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nope.
IR you can buy in the shops is short range.
military stuff can see through walls from space.

or do you think the hubble telescope is fake?

and IR is just one small frequency of em.
passive radar does full spectrum.
from multiple receivers and generating a full 3d view of the airspace with accuracy down to a few cm..

at least the kind that is used on the s400 is.

not sure if the us is that advanced yet or not. or if they would admit if they were.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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Bull. IR can see a missile launch from space, but if you believe that their can see through walls from space I've got some magic beans to sell you.

The atmosphere attenuates IR a lot. An aircraft mounted IRST system, under good conditions, directly from behind an unmasked jet engine can see it from roughly 90 miles. A ground based system is going to have similar if not slightly worse performance because the atmosphere is thicker.

You're just buying all the propaganda aren't you. No passive radar is that good. Yes they're good, but not that good yet. The other radars would have to be outstanding to do that, and Russian airborne radars aren't that good.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mSparks43

Bull. IR can see a missile launch from space, but if you believe that their can see through walls from space I've got some magic beans to sell you.

The atmosphere attenuates IR a lot. An aircraft mounted IRST system, under good conditions, directly from behind an unmasked jet engine can see it from roughly 90 miles. A ground based system is going to have similar if not slightly worse performance because the atmosphere is thicker.


full spektrum.
that is everything vlf visible to gamma on the em range.

bored of arguing against your ignorance now. learn to read.

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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mSparks43

And IR is extremely short range, and can be partially masked to make it even shorter. You're not going to pick up an F-22 or B-2 at any kind of range with any IR system currently built anywhere in the world.


Zap even given information from someone such as yourself with actual experience in these matters you cant get through to them. They will not accept that russias weapons system is not invincible.

OOh doppler radar and IR whooo scary..... S-300 25 meter weakness. 83 ft. heigh enough to be killed easily with GPS guided missiles or bombs that dont have to have a lock and can be guided by satellites. the new Anti radiation missiles with 90 mile range with GASP PASSIVE RADAR SEEKER and NON ACTIVE SEEKING. Put these on a F-35 in a JAMMING ENVIRONMENT and its BYE BYE SAM CREW.(note i NEVER use caps for"yelling" just emphasis)



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mSparks43

And IR is extremely short range, and can be partially masked to make it even shorter. You're not going to pick up an F-22 or B-2 at any kind of range with any IR system currently built anywhere in the world.


Zap even given information from someone such as yourself with actual experience in these matters you cant get through to them. They will not accept that russias weapons system is not invincible.

OOh doppler radar and IR whooo scary..... S-300 25 meter weakness. 83 ft. heigh enough to be killed easily with GPS guided missiles or bombs that dont have to have a lock and can be guided by satellites. the new Anti radiation missiles with 90 mile range with GASP PASSIVE RADAR SEEKER and NON ACTIVE SEEKING. Put these on a F-35 in a JAMMING ENVIRONMENT and its BYE BYE SAM CREW.(note i NEVER use caps for"yelling" just emphasis)



ok.
I'll bite.
so you think you can "jam" a hidden video camera?
because the challenge is the same.

what's more. jam every single one of them simultaniously.

OK
you got through to me.
f22 is the game changer you said it is.
that's why the military wants the supposedly less stealthy f35 instead.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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here's the Chinese copy of it.
thediplomat.com...



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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You should take your own advice. That's using ultra wideband Synthetic Aperture Radar to create a image, not IR. SAR can't be used to target or see an aircraft at any kind of range.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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The F-35 is at least as stealthy as the F-22. The reason it's wanted is to perform a totally different mission than the F-22.

And those hidden video cameras aren't going to see an F-22 flying overhead at 60,000 feet.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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Zaps correct. trust the man on this subject. He fair with his assessaments.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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Funny how stealth is rendered obsolete by passive radar systems, but China has at least three airframes under development, and Russia has one in flight testing and one on the drawing boards.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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stealth protects you from countries like iraq and libya and the usa that dont have good r&d

and also from the vast amount of old and cheap ordinance that doesn't use ir to do the last mile to target.

it doesn't protect you against superpowers and their friends.

simples
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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And yet Russia and China are preparing to fight advanced opponents. And are planning to use stealth to do it. So are you going to claim their aircraft are more advanced?



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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their sams and anti ship missiles definately are.

if that gives them air superiority they can win with whatever they want.

question is. can the western markets find the mathematicians needed to make their own networked passive radar systems accurate.

or will they all be to upset by the general behaviour of the western ptb over the last couple of centuries to want to help.
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posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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You think they don't already have advanced systems? The US is one of the first to mount advanced radars on AWACS, far beyond Russian and Chinese radars, as well as other systems. And that's before you look at what their allies have.

You seem to think passive radar is the be all, end all. You really should study things a lot more. There's a lot more to stealth and counter radar systems than you can even begin to imagine.



posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mSparks43

You think they don't already have advanced systems? The US is one of the first to mount advanced radars on AWACS, far beyond Russian and Chinese radars, as well as other systems. And that's before you look at what their allies have.

You seem to think passive radar is the be all, end all. You really should study things a lot more. There's a lot more to stealth and counter radar systems than you can even begin to imagine.


active radar in an advanced warfare scenario is nothing more than a great big fat target.
that goes for jamming systems to.

anything emitting a high level of em is just screaming "shoot me".

like ye olde British soldiers with targets painted on their chests.

but yeah. you're probably right.
nothing to see here. Iran is obviously wasting their money and the us administration doesn't care in the slightest about them getting this system.



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