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Russia lifts ban on delivering missile-defence system to Iran

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posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 12:24 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: cavtrooper7

sorry pal, wikipedia says number built were 21 and i think 1 crashed so left are 20. still pack an awesome punch given that they are 99.99% stealth in terms of RCS.


That is not 99.99% accurate. They are stealthy......But never tested against Russian Technology operated by Russians.

The US are not 99.99% sure the B2 will penetrate Russian defence. It dosent say that any where.




posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 12:24 AM
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B2 systems are not deployed in a wartime activation unless they are certain noone is watching NONE of us have those numbers as the real ones are VERY classified.
edit on 20-4-2015 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 12:26 AM
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Answered the wrong post....
BY the way ,we always discuss what is in OUR media about possivble American systems WAHT is in Russia's secret speculation?
edit on 20-4-2015 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: yuppa

They would HAVE to be the size of a telephone pole to do effective damage I should think THAT is a small drone.
Again it is ONLY what we KNOW about.
In THAT situation the black triangles would got to war so to spaek and the gloves would come off.
WE haven't done that since WWII poor littlre Russia DOES NOT deserve such a scotched earth fate,but if a NUKE is lofted ..IT'S ON.


Id pay good money to see putins face when a tri fly s over and micowaves his skull lol.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.


Georgia had the tor systems and we'll we see how effective that wad against the Russian. They weren't even a factor against Russian air power in the war. So you think they are going to magically make a difrence now??



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:18 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.


Georgia had the tor systems and we'll we see how effective that wad against the Russian. They weren't even a factor against Russian air power in the war. So you think they are going to magically make a difrence now??


Yes.....Russians know how to use their own Equipment that makes a lot of difference.

Just like many claim that US pilots are better trained pilots than Russians. Just that makes a big difference in combat.

Russia is also working on high speed stealth missile Trains, And very sophisticated ground decoys to protect their air defence systems. With Electronics and heat signatures.....With signatures that replicate the actuall systems you want to take out.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 02:31 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.


Once again with it flying NOE they wont see the jassm coming in IRAN. RAYTHEON has the best shot at Sam killing. Standard HAARm travels mach 2.1 so its just above the engagement speed. The Navy's 2016 budget included funding for an extended range AARGM-ER that utilizes the existing guidance system and warhead of the AGM-88E with a solid integrated rocket-ramjet for double the range. Development funding will last to 2020.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 06:09 AM
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a reply to: yuppa

even the palistinian school kids can manage to construct missiles that do mach 4
and it's not that effective
m.youtube.com...

modern russian sams defences are specd to intercept incoming at mach 9.

iron dome is based on russian tech from 50 years ago. (iiuc)

whichever way you look at it. aggressive nation's are being out maneuvered. why do you think this is a bad thing?
edit on 20-4-2015 by mSparks43 because: correct speed of Palestinian missiles.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.


Georgia had the tor systems and we'll we see how effective that wad against the Russian. They weren't even a factor against Russian air power in the war. So you think they are going to magically make a difrence now??


Quit posting false information man, like you usuually do.

Georgia has Buk system and Russians was bad enough to not been able to jam it and thus lost a Tu-22 as a result. No Tors were present in that war.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Usually when the US deploys the only information the enemy gets is silence until explosions occur around them,or THEY are killed



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: mSparks43

Once again the S-300 is not invincible and is vulnerable. Usually a Anti radiation missile isnt what a SAm is fired at. lets see a pack of S-300s vs 20 or so HAARM/aarms launched from all around. Flooding the entire area you are attacking will cause confusion in the SAM crews trying to decide whats a target and whats a drone or missile. Sure they can track alot of targets but can only prosecute as many as they have in the tubes. Then WHOOPS RELOAD TIME. Aircraft will not just go blindly into this situation. what happens when they are reloading and in comes a HAARM?


ALso do you REALLY think the RUSSIANS will be MANNING IRANS SAM SITES? Remember the Threads about IRAN not RUSSIA.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.


Georgia had the tor systems and we'll we see how effective that wad against the Russian. They weren't even a factor against Russian air power in the war. So you think they are going to magically make a difrence now??


Yes.....Russians know how to use their own Equipment that makes a lot of difference.

Just like many claim that US pilots are better trained pilots than Russians. Just that makes a big difference in combat.

Russia is also working on high speed stealth missile Trains, And very sophisticated ground decoys to protect their air defence systems. With Electronics and heat signatures.....With signatures that replicate the actuall systems you want to take out.


First this is about IRAN not RUSSIA. The Russians will not be manning the Iranians S-300 systems Also we have decoys too that can replicate signatures too,but i digress check raytheon sometime.

back on topic though. The Iranians will have to learn the system and will most likely not have any point defenses to protect them except for their soldiers. The Iranians will never be as good at using the system for years after getting it. IF they get it that is with Israelis boarding ships.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: yuppa

Usually when the US deploys the only information the enemy gets is silence until explosions occur around them,or THEY are killed


How did you die? Oh well i was sitting at my radar screen when i heard this whistling sound. then i saw a bright flash and now i am here. Where are my virgins by the way?And why is it so hot here?



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: yuppa

Usually when the US deploys the only information the enemy gets is silence until explosions occur around them,or THEY are killed


That is not the case. The Whole world knew when the US was to attack Iraq. Even Sadam knew. Both times.

Even the Afghans knew that the US/NATO were comming. They just didnt understand why.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa




well within range of HARM/aarm missiles or JASM-em 250 nm range.


Jassm is subsonic, will be taken out easily by the point defense goodies.

HARM is Mach 2, will pose danger as it is also cheap at $250k each. saturation strikes can be possible. items like Tor can handle missiles upto mach 2 speed. Tor-M2 increases range of engagement also.


Georgia had the tor systems and we'll we see how effective that wad against the Russian. They weren't even a factor against Russian air power in the war. So you think they are going to magically make a difrence now??


Yes.....Russians know how to use their own Equipment that makes a lot of difference.

Just like many claim that US pilots are better trained pilots than Russians. Just that makes a big difference in combat.

Russia is also working on high speed stealth missile Trains, And very sophisticated ground decoys to protect their air defence systems. With Electronics and heat signatures.....With signatures that replicate the actuall systems you want to take out.


First this is about IRAN not RUSSIA. The Russians will not be manning the Iranians S-300 systems Also we have decoys too that can replicate signatures too,but i digress check raytheon sometime.

back on topic though. The Iranians will have to learn the system and will most likely not have any point defenses to protect them except for their soldiers. The Iranians will never be as good at using the system for years after getting it. IF they get it that is with Israelis boarding ships.


I agree to that. It will take a few years to become good With a tottally New system even With the help of Russians.

But Iran does have sophisticated radars and Electronics and they do Train a lot. They have Russian built radars and electronics that can match US AWAC's.

Iran did bring Down the RQ 170 in once Peace. Iran might even have landed it them selves.
edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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So you are going to try to tell me Russian command knew all about how the US was going to kick the snot out of their client country?
Funny ,it IS public knowledge now, before Desert Shield ,we were told both in media and by our own think tanks how many of our unit was going to die. WE took the first positions on the border.
It was MOSTLY due to the fact we were UNPREPARED as the Russians put it then.
EQUALLY humorous is how many Russian officers were fired after we cleaned their clocks.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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Flooding the entire area you are attacking will cause confusion in the SAM crews trying to decide whats a target and whats a drone or missile. Sure they can track alot of targets but can only prosecute as many as they have in the tubes. Then WHOOPS RELOAD TIME. Aircraft will not just go blindly into this situation. what happens when they are reloading and in comes a HAARM?


In the SAMs crew world what you have mentioned is probably the basics of the training simulation. Also, SAM sites are protected by several point defense systems also and everything is integrated.

It would be a different match up when Iran is facing the attack from USAF. They cannot layer their defenses and due to arms embargo would be fielding several old deals also. But training wise, Iranians are much superior and hands on than what Iraqis turned out to be in both the gulf wars.

If 1991, the stupid Iraqis allowed the French to visit their air defense system HQs and they planted a virus which basically blinded them to the incoming attacks in various areas. Same thing happened to Syrians in 2007 vrs Israel but only this time virus was planted from the air assets and not humans visiting the site.

Arab and Islamic leaders are fanatic idiots and hurt their own people and invite attacks.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: spy66

So you are going to try to tell me Russian command knew all about how the US was going to kick the snot out of their client country?
Funny ,it IS public knowledge now, before Desert Shield ,we were told both in media and by our own think tanks how many of our unit was going to die. WE took the first positions on the border.
It was MOSTLY due to the fact we were UNPREPARED as the Russians put it then.
EQUALLY humorous is how many Russian officers were fired after we cleaned their clocks.


Do you think the US would have attacked Iraq if Russia didnt give a concent?

I dont think so. Syria is a good example of that. If Russia puts it foot Down....the US backes Down like a Nice puppy.
It wont be long before the US/NATO have to do the same in Ukrane......its just a mater of time.



posted on Apr, 20 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: spy66

maybe.

but I doubt they are selling it with 70s era electronics.

the new stuff is supposed to be point and click.
and trade craft won't take them long.
I have a lot of respect for the intelligence of the Iranians. mnogo više nego amerikanci na prima.



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