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So... I'm a progressive... You can regress all you like.

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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:20 PM
I don't know about the rest of y'all... but here's my label:


Anything beyond that is too multi-faceted to put any one specific label on.

... But you kiddies go ahead and have fun with your neverending exercise in futility by way of attempting to stuff the human animal into any one type of defined pigeon-hole.

Divisive mentality is as divisive mentality does.

It seems to be the favoured hobby around this place.

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:26 PM
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Must have been fun despite the reasoning you were there.

Every cloud and all that.

The app I have is the Quran Explorer, but it doesn't have Audio, only the Arabic recitation.

It also has the Arabic and English side by side.

I have yet to find an English Audio version.

I'll keep up my search.

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:29 PM

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: luthier

Wondered how long it would take for Hitler (tm) to get brought in. That was fascism, not actual socialism, and it was a d*** sight closer to what Stalin brought in than actual, you know, SOCIALISM.

Words have meaning. This sounds like such a simple concept yet so many seem to ignore it. You can't walk in and say "this is what this word means now, screw the dictionary". Not only is that bad form, but that way lies bad science debates. No. If word has meaning, that is the intent. If I say "frog", I mean and intend "small green amphibian", not "Frenchman", or "cat" or "Conservative". So when a word is defined - twice- that is the intent and the meaning. Arguing further about that is like making cats laugh.

You make interesting claims. "Progressives were wealthy to do people who wanted causes and did what they would think was good to help immigrants be better Americans, have poor not be so filthy and having babies etc. Now it is a loose term foe liberal like people." Going to assume proof, or are you just tossing words together, maybe going with an ad hominem attack on liberals/prgressives?

As for your "inevitable psycho" comment, I could point to Wall Street, Bush, Cheney, the Walton family or Indiana for the flip to that.

Its not a straw man and yes it is a hit on liberals your party uses your compassion and does the opposite. I don't like Republicans anymore its just people don't argue based on historical record but I hear a lot of parroting of what the media says a liberal or conservative is. My question is where did it come from and where is it going?

I actually believe full well what Marx says. I think we will eventually if not ruled and manipulated by progressives and socialists and still have free thought just eliminate THEIR market and create our own.

I have zero faith in any progressive thinking in terms of political meaning. The party came from the same people as the Bush and Cheneys. In fact Prescott was a progressive.

Progressives want to change people. That's inherently dangerous when the deciding how part is done and who gets to do it.

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:36 PM
If I called myself a liberal republican I would have to laugh myself out of this thread.

Oh well...

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:39 PM

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Must have been fun despite the reasoning you were there.

Every cloud and all that.

The app I have is the Quran Explorer, but it doesn't have Audio, only the Arabic recitation.

It also has the Arabic and English side by side.

I have yet to find an English Audio version.

I'll keep up my search.

well I wouldnt call it fun, but I would be remise if I didnt say it was enlightening....

THank you I will look that up and do some reading!

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:45 PM
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Great post Man behind the mask!

There's hope for us with that attitude

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 07:14 PM
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

The only thing progressing is things getting worse.

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 08:46 PM
Progressive? American Progressive, anyway, just doesn't seem to be wholly progressive. It's under a false, used as a divisive moniker, just like "Hope and Change", but yet the most people are on foodstamps ever, same with people being homeless(and or in poverty). You have to have real progression. IMO that a good example is how it's showing itself in the form of marijuana legalization, medical and decriminalization which is supported by more than progressives.

To beat the old "white crotchety globalist" control, the political sides(Repub, Dem, Independent, etc.) must join together for that goal.

Also, as an Independent*-sometimes lean Left, Right and or Libertarian, I support what you're saying for the most part. Balance, fairness, education instead of the Industrial Complex and equal rights for women. To be more specific, as a woman, of course I support what is mentioned. Women still all over the nation(likely most of the world for outside of here) and in the same employment positions as men make less income overall.

Just wish I could say US Progressive(being a US citizen) lived up to what is claims to be as well as other mainstream political alignments, it does not however being controlled by the same elites who are using the 'cause" for their benefit all the while playing off their corruption which can be shown in news all over the US on a nearly daily basis.

Saying "regress" for anyone who doesn't fit into the said notion of Progressive doesn't seem quite fair, in fact it comes off as a division.
edit on 13-4-2015 by dreamingawake because: poverty

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:16 PM
Im an anarchist .. and I laugh at all the fools and idiots clinging to outdated .. failed systems of government ,. corrupt useless leaders and squabling over # that doesnt mean a damn thing .. maybe one day humans will grow up and move beyond the idiocy .. till then grab a snack and watch the show go on ..

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:53 PM

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Lately, this year specifically...

I've seen a rise in the demeaning tone with which people spout the word "progressive"...

"These progressives want to..."

"You progressives all think that..."

Well whatever... Is what I say.

So what.

You'd like to label yourselves "traditionalist"...

That "things were better in the good old days"...

Well I feel you're more of a regressive than a traditionalist...

You wish to take us back to detrimental values that you believe we're better simply because things were whiter than white...

Regress all you like...

I'm for progression...

Progress needs to be made...

We do not need to regress into your white majority, rich over poor utopia...

We need a cultural balance for 2015 onwards...
We need fairness in the work place...
We need equal rights for women world wide...
We need to protect children and nourish and educate them instead of building drones for the work force...

..."But it happened to us and we are fine"...

No you're not...

You're a regressive, hoping for the same fate that befell you, to befall others...

So... I'm a progressive... You can regress all you like.

You are confusing words and their definitions.

You know the difference between a NOUN and an adjective, right?

As a NOUN: A progressive is an advocate for social reform.
social reform does NOT mean progress. social reform means making changes to improve society BUT improve it for whom? YOU perhaps? at what cost to others? of course socialists don't care they murder 100's of millions so they can party some more.

As an adjective: progressive: a person favoring social reform. thus "Gimmie gimmie what somebody else made", says the progressive.

also as an adjective: to develop in stages.

See when you say, "I'm a progressive" is a noun .... Thus "I'm a social reformer improving things for myself."

Here are a few social reformer socialists; Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler. You are in good company.

Now if you want progress who says that your social reforms are progress? Ancient Egypt had equal rights for died completely. So been there done that. Fairness and cultural balance? sure as h*ll didn't have fairness in Mao's china nor in Soviet Russia. Didn't really even have culture so no balance. Socialism in the past has always ended in failure and mass death.

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:59 PM

Should progressives be accepting and understanding of people that have differing opinions and beliefs?

Sure, if those beliefs are all about screwing over a bunch of other people, which they usually are.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 12:07 AM

originally posted by: xuenchen
What's the Progressive answer to the world debt problem?

Every nation is deep in debt and there always seems to be a recession of some kind with major depressions happening frequently.

All the Progressive programs seem to fail soon enough and create more of the problems they were designed to solve.

And we continue to see a slow and steady build-up of police state programs and military wars.

Why all the failures if the systems are so great?

edit on Apr-13-2015 by xuenchen because: [__'-|-'__]

If the "whole world" is in debt, one wonders, whom are we in debt to?

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 01:41 AM
a reply to: intrepid

Considering how Progs chew on the second amendment or down military ,I'd say your point is selective.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 02:48 AM
a reply to: DAZ21

I don't have much use for lazy, stupid people who place "how much they will earn" from their "efforts" in the primary driver category.

A great poet will always be a great poet, a scientist will always be a scientist, and so on.

But lets cut the crap, shall we? The problem isn't that surgeons make too much and shelf stockers too little. Rather -- the problem is that some financial wizards are making hundreds or thousands of times what either make from their efforts.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 05:29 AM
I've said this a number of times recently...and here I go again.

I don't disagree with everything a progressive, liberal or democrat wants. I disagree with their methods and mentality of getting their way. You are not God nor King. Your views, while viable and something worth considering are NOT the only way. The methods you impose to force your views upon others, demonize anyone with a differing opinion, etc. are near evil. Your leader Obama bypassess the law to get what HE wants...Harry Reid admitted to lying to get what HE wanted...Pelosi lies to get what SHE wants and Hillary lies to get what SHE wants.

This is a country of people with different views and opinions. Lying to us and forcing your agenda upon people is, to you, just part of getting your way. You were the crying, whining child screaming "I want this..." and now you have stopped crying and replaced it with lying, cheating and raping the people just to get your way. And you don't consider for a second that your way may not be the only, or the right way.

You offer "progressive" as if you move forward. But in my opinion you move us backward by hundreds of years to a time when either God or King ruled over the people. may appear that "traditionalists" lean toward the past. But that is a hell of a lot better than the progressive government view that the people...the citizens of this country should be on their knees in the fields providing for them. Cause...well, you know...we are all nothing but knuckle dragging beasts with low intelligence that NEED to be forced to conform to your will. the way. Progressives are the 1%. Progressives are part of the problem. You want equal rights? Then stop playing God over everyone else. That isn't very equal now is it?
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posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 07:28 AM

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

We do not need to regress into your white majority, rich over poor utopia...

Did you just wake from a coma that you entered in the 1950's ??

There actually used to be a MIDDLE CLASS. There barely is today. Is THAT what you call "progress" ?

And what the hell is wrong with a "white' majority in places where white people are NATIVE ????? Drop the self-hate already dude.

I don't see anyone lobbying for the mass integration of white people into African nations. I don't see anyone telling the Chinese or Japanese that they are immoral horrible humans for not embracing 'diversity' and mass-importing every groups EXCEPT themselves....

Also you're a follower of one of the most anti-progressive religions on earth. It wasn't long ago that your title said "Allahu Akbar". Yes I realize you are an individual, but collectively it's an established fact that Islam is quite far from what most would describe as 'progressive'.....

I think you're a very confused person, just looking for something, anything to rally about.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 08:52 AM
While I agree with you, all of the political parties that speak that way, are corrupt and never deliver.

We need equality And freedom wedded, and councils of citizens with teeth to pass messages instantly, organize, create, experiment, ie override city councils and single family land usage rules and donate land and try yurt villages and various farmers markets and things for the homeless and poor that give addresses and help to get them on disabilities, with income potentials. We need to do things, try things, fire people and overturn governments corrupt decisions, and judicial.

And not fire off opinions like weapons, then walk away from the rubble and agony we cause others with our knee jerk opinions. You never harm anyone, you only help, always. You create win/wins for everyone.

People need to grow up so they can reach the next levels and manage whole systems with the tenderness to caretake the smallest creatures with compassion. Its Love. And earth is supposed to be a school where people bring out their strengths, educate, learn and help, both individually and in teamwork.

Its hijacked mess right now.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 09:10 AM
Progressivism's main goal is efficiency. The most efficient way is a singular mindset with a positive morale towards an objective.

A group of people pushing a car off to the side of the road. Problem is that someone has steer the car and that person is not going to push as hard since they have a secondary task. If you have plenty of people, no problem. But if there isn't enough, the ones straining build resentment towards the one not working as hard. Especially the person steering. Human nature right there, not politics.

Politically speaking, someone benefits from the effort of the collective more than just the collective. And using the example above, the person steering typically owns the car. So if the society is agricultural, Feudalism is the term used. Industrial societies would be Corporatism. How can this be? Because far left circles around to far right ideologies and practices. Both are forms of Totalarianism. Because that is what is the most efficient for the authority of government.

The biggest problem with those that call themselves Progressives is that they are really just Humanists using the wrong term.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 09:58 AM

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Well I feel

Don't feel. Think.

And then take some time to peel back beyond the layers of the onion to get to some good conservatives. Did you know that the first conservatives were also liberals? Check out Edmund Burke and other conservative thinkers, and please understand that the average people running about calling themselves a conservative most likely *hasn't* done that.

And then finally realize that progressivism is a bad idea if you don't know where you're going. Study its history, connect the dots, and understand that in my nation, horrible crimes were done in the name of progress, just as horrible crimes are often done in the name of tradition.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 10:02 AM
a reply to: StalkerSolent

Feel, Compassion and Love, AND Think ,Mother AND Father, this world is about everyone, and win/wins.

Do not cling to any ISM, or political stripe, but believe you are the leaders, and start to work on trying out ideas, to see if they work.

Bring out the clean energy, to heal earth/nature and progress us, not regress us. ie the elite group that would like us living in little calcutta shacks with disease and outhouses, rather than the jetson era, they can go to the back of the line, but we all need to progress.

And the little pistol shrimp who implodes the energy to the temperature of a star, shows the way.

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