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So... I'm a progressive... You can regress all you like.

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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: beezzer
Names change, definitions change, labels change.

Basically; if you want more authoritarian government control, ie socialised medicine, government mandated vaccinations, government mandated housing, food programs, etc, if you are for less individualism and less personal liberty, then you are a progressive, as I see it.

Don't really care what you call yourself, that's just how I will identify that mind-set and ideology.


And it follows logicall that regressives/conservatives/libertarians/republicans want authoritarian Corporate control.


Libertarians are the only liberals. Do some research. Wiki liberal. John Locke. Read it.




posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Cuervo

You want to add an ammendment that will provide for more freedoms and individual liberties then bring it on!

You want to add an ammendment that will restrict, inhibit, deny freedoms and individual liberties, then you're a progressive.


The progressive movement started with Teddy Roosevelt,
and has brought us anti monopoly laws, women's right to vote, civil rights act...
And some day universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world

Not much for denying freedoms



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Cuervo

You want to add an ammendment that will provide for more freedoms and individual liberties then bring it on!

You want to add an ammendment that will restrict, inhibit, deny freedoms and individual liberties, then you're a progressive.


So... is legalizing gay marriage, which provides more freedom and individual liberty, not "progressive"? What about legalizing various substances, which provides more freedom and individual liberty? Is that something outside the realm of "progressive" now?

Is there a word you have for "progressive" that doesn't do all the bad stuff you don't like?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: beezzer
You want to add an ammendment that will restrict, inhibit, deny freedoms and individual liberties, then you're a progressive.


I'm pretty sure that slave owners back in the mid 19th century saw abolition in much the same way. The 13th.


Since your misquoting history...
Republicans did that
Progressives were against women voting, and allowing blacks into public service read up son.


Son....that doesn't matter. The point is that society must change. I don't have the faith in the GOP of now. It's been said that Reagan wouldn't be able to get the nomination today. And he's the ICON. THAT is why they are being called "regressives". May I ask...aside from gay rights, abortion and the 2nd, what does the GOP stand for today?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: HighFive

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Cuervo

You want to add an ammendment that will provide for more freedoms and individual liberties then bring it on!

You want to add an ammendment that will restrict, inhibit, deny freedoms and individual liberties, then you're a progressive.


The progressive movement started with Teddy Roosevelt,
and has brought us anti monopoly laws, women's right to vote, civil rights act...
And some day universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world

Not much for denying freedoms


That's not exactly true though. Progressives were not for the women's right to vote until the very end when they knew it was inevitable. Wilson a progressive thought it was a bad idea. Teddy Roosevelt also was a spoiled brat and his anti trust solidified his buddies standard oil did just fine. Rockefellor a progressive was very much a eugenics philosopher as were many progresives. Only the smart and white should breed.

Civil rights was also not in any way a progressive issue. It was started by Republicans and is a fundamental liberal idea pioneered by Republicans.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: beezzer
You want to add an ammendment that will restrict, inhibit, deny freedoms and individual liberties, then you're a progressive.


I'm pretty sure that slave owners back in the mid 19th century saw abolition in much the same way. The 13th.


Since your misquoting history...
Republicans did that
Progressives were against women voting, and allowing blacks into public service read up son.


Son....that doesn't matter. The point is that society must change. I don't have the faith in the GOP of now. It's been said that Reagan wouldn't be able to get the nomination today. And he's the ICON. THAT is why they are being called "regressives". May I ask...aside from gay rights, abortion and the 2nd, what does the GOP stand for today?


Point is we are screwed. Neither side is who they say they are.
Why haven't the dems made job training programs a priority in inner cities? Guess its easier to get the vote if you throw money at stuff or at least say you are.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
Civil rights was also not in any way a progressive issue. It was started by Republicans and is a fundamental liberal idea pioneered by Republicans.


No it wasn't. It was started, finalized and completed by the PEOPLE.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

That's where you're going wrong.

If we paid everyone equally then, why would the likes of scientists, engineers and surgeons put themselves through years of hard work and learning just to be paid equally as good as a shelfstacker?


Because they want to do the work. Many would choose to farm or care for others if they could make a living wage doing so.

Rewards come in many forms. If money is the only motivation you can conceive of, I'm truly sorry.


But you chose two professions that have a low learning curve.

Very few would choose to do professions that are high stress, high learning curve, life and death if they could simply go do something easier and make the same money for it.


And you are very sorely mistaken - farming, especially sustainable agriculture, requires extensive experience and knowledge as well as constant monitoring. Life long learning (in many fields) and empirical observation are required to be a farmer.

The same is true in the caring professions. It requires skills, that you may not value or have, that require education, experience and continual awareness and openness to change. Caring for children or the elderly (very poorly paid positions) requires attention and analytical skills that are difficult for most people.

You are speaking from prejudice not understanding.


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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: Cuervo

So... is legalizing gay marriage, which provides more freedom and individual liberty, not "progressive"?



I would think that government has no business telling people who can or can't get married. That is what provides more freedom and individual liberty. Would that be progressive or conservative? Or something else entirely?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: Cuervo

So... is legalizing gay marriage, which provides more freedom and individual liberty, not "progressive"?



I would think that government has no business telling people who can or can't get married. That is what provides more freedom and individual liberty. Would that be progressive or conservative? Or something else entirely?


How about "sane". Trudeau said over 40 years ago, "The state has no place in the bedrooms of Canadians." That SHOULD be for all people though.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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Progressive to me is like brushing ones teeth: Its basic to political reality as brushing the teeth is basic to hygiene. Feed the poor, take care of the sick, be just for all, and have empathy for all since we are united by our humanness. Do the basics regarding having everyone as healthy as possible and eating, shelter, and being able to raise ones children without starving and being given a basic education and the opportunity to thrive…

Progressive means not being ONLY for the elite’s happiness and survival but ALL of us together as one humanity….

Charlie gives a good example of a progressive prospective regarding the unity of humanity



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luthier
Civil rights was also not in any way a progressive issue. It was started by Republicans and is a fundamental liberal idea pioneered by Republicans.


No it wasn't. It was started, finalized and completed by the PEOPLE.


Sure but pioneered by Republican ideals.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luthier
Civil rights was also not in any way a progressive issue. It was started by Republicans and is a fundamental liberal idea pioneered by Republicans.


No it wasn't. It was started, finalized and completed by the PEOPLE.


Sure but pioneered by Republican ideals.


OK, as I already asked, what are the Republican ideals(I'll settle for ideas) of today?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Progressive to me is like brushing ones teeth: Its basic to political reality as brushing the teeth is basic to hygiene. Feed the poor, take care of the sick, be just for all, and have empathy for all since we are united by our humanness. Do the basics regarding having everyone as healthy as possible and eating, shelter, and being able to raise ones children without starving and being given a basic education and the opportunity to thrive…

Progressive means not being ONLY for the elite’s happiness and survival but ALL of us together as one humanity….

Charlie gives a good example of a progressive prospective regarding the unity of humanity


Yeah progressive also means a small group of men and women decide what is best for everybody. Progressives think they k ow better what is right for an individual than the individual themselves. I will stick with democracy. I think the Swiss have a pretty good model.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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Progressive is going forward not backward:

Backward to exclusion and racism, backward to child labor, backward to female oppression, backward to serfdom.

Progressive is the political idea of progressing to eliminate poverty, disease, ignorance and injustice and to gain world peace.

It is to move forward to this through hopefully evolution and even sometimes:

REVOLUTION!



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

I think that's the first time I've ever been accused of being sane.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Cuervo

You want to add an ammendment that will provide for more freedoms and individual liberties then bring it on!

You want to add an ammendment that will restrict, inhibit, deny freedoms and individual liberties, then you're a progressive.


So... is legalizing gay marriage, which provides more freedom and individual liberty, not "progressive"? What about legalizing various substances, which provides more freedom and individual liberty? Is that something outside the realm of "progressive" now?


What in the f### makes you think I'm against any of what you listed?



Is there a word you have for "progressive" that doesn't do all the bad stuff you don't like?


I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I think that since YOU think I'm anti progressive, that means I'm anti gay marriage, anti-legalisation etc.

Bullsh##

I'm against big government dictating to us what we;
eat
buy
smoke
wear
say
live
write
watch

I'm against government dictating that I have to buy health insurance.
I'm against government dictating what kinds of guns, what kind of ammo I have to buy.
I'm against government interfering with the internet.
I'm against government justifying more taxes when then can't even control their own spending.
I'm against government pushing division, racially and socially.
I'm sick and tired of government thinking they know how to raise my children better than I do.

I'm sick of PEOPLE obeying the dictates of government and parroting the same vomit about how they think they know better.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Willtell


It is to move forward to this through hopefully evolution and even sometimes:

REVOLUTION!


There will be no "revolution' in the United States of America, insofar as it concerns citizen against citizen in physical combat with one another. If you think that is progress, then you better think again.

The Civil War ring any bells? That's not progressive, it's barbaric, and this type thinking has no place among decent people living in the 21st century. Ugh.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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I totally get what you are saying with this post but....


originally posted by: beezzer
I'm sick of PEOPLE obeying the dictates of government and parroting the same vomit about how they think they know better.


That's their business, not yours.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luthier
Civil rights was also not in any way a progressive issue. It was started by Republicans and is a fundamental liberal idea pioneered by Republicans.


No it wasn't. It was started, finalized and completed by the PEOPLE.


Sure but pioneered by Republican ideals.


OK, as I already asked, what are the Republican ideals(I'll settle for ideas) of today?

Moneymoneymoneymoney
Same as the dems.
They have unlimited private donations now in campaigns. Why do you think anyone stands for anything in politics?




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