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So... I'm a progressive... You can regress all you like.

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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: undo
can you imagine american women agreeing to forced iud implantation?


Im not American. Those things are dangerous.. which leads to another "ugly" progressive thought.

Child brides.. Progressive thought would be that take a bride when she is still a child. You will get a bride who is pure and you are capable of teaching and guiding her to your liking.




posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Names change, definitions change, labels change.

Basically; if you want more authoritarian government control, ie socialised medicine, government mandated vaccinations, government mandated housing, food programs, etc, if you are for less individualism and less personal liberty, then you are a progressive, as I see it.

Don't really care what you call yourself, that's just how I will identify that mind-set and ideology.



They're all very old State worship mantras and thus regressive...

No one looking for progress wants less individualism or personal liberty.

Well I don't.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: dollukka

originally posted by: undo
can you imagine american women agreeing to forced iud implantation?


Im not American. Those things are dangerous.. which leads to another "ugly" progressive thought.

Child brides.. Progressive thought would be that take a bride when she is still a child. You will get a bride who is pure and you are capable of teaching and guiding her to your liking.



that doesn't sound progressive to me.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: beezzer

what ticks me off is the state of african countries where the system is designed to keep them as poor as possible. we start a campaign to raise charitable donations, and by the time the money gets there, there's hardly any left, and then that is stolen by drug lords.



That's why I never send money. I sent myself instead.

Spent a while in West Africa (not recently) and actually DID the work instead of simply giving money.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: dollukka

Where do you get all these made up lines, wow, making stuff up as it goes, what does behing progessive and child brides have in common.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

No one looking for progress wants less individualism or personal liberty.

Well I don't.


Then I wouldn't call you a follower of the progressive ideology.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

aww hugs to beezer. wish we could do that for our inner cities as well, but the divide and conquer + poison the well theme of marxist doctrine has made it darn near hopeless.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: undo

It´s regressive to others and to others the idea is progressive. As we usually see this as an old views some see future in it ( future what they like it to be .. future they can make as their own.. progressive )



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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Times change. Values change. Society must change with it to stay relevant in the world. As the saying goes, "All is change. Only change is changeless."



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

But the Progressive systems have caused (and continue to cause) the economic and social problems.

How does the Progressive systems plan to solve the problems they have already caused?

Banking and tax systems are progressive systems.

Lots of victims and no solutions.

The Progressive systems require massive authority to implement and maintain.

So far, none have worked.

As for people using "Progressive" in negative ways, perhaps the failures have led people to see Progressive systems negatively.




posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: dollukka

Lol those "brides" are all actually cousins and sisters of the husbands to be.


That Zionist lie was debunked ages ago.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Can you bring proof, oh and an accepted worldwide definition of what the evil progressive decision, not just the stuff of fox news and friends.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

That's where you're going wrong.

If we paid everyone equally then, why would the likes of scientists, engineers and surgeons put themselves through years of hard work and learning just to be paid equally as good as a shelfstacker?


Because they want to do the work. Many would choose to farm or care for others if they could make a living wage doing so.

Rewards come in many forms. If money is the only motivation you can conceive of, I'm truly sorry.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

You have to be careful though. I've had progressives tell me that too, but it turns out that what they really think of as personal liberty means "do what I want when I want" minus all that icky individual personal responsibility bit. So they still believed that they had a right to have their health care paid for and their food, clothing, housing, etc.

Now when I say it, I understand that personal liberty means I have to take full responsibility for both my fun and my needs at the same time.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Banking is a rich man's experiment for control of wealth and tax systems are a good thing.


Now, for the 4th time...

Why do you not want to progress from the current state of the world?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

That's where you're going wrong.

If we paid everyone equally then, why would the likes of scientists, engineers and surgeons put themselves through years of hard work and learning just to be paid equally as good as a shelfstacker?


Because they want to do the work. Many would choose to farm or care for others if they could make a living wage doing so.

Rewards come in many forms. If money is the only motivation you can conceive of, I'm truly sorry.


But you chose two professions that have a low learning curve.

Very few would choose to do professions that are high stress, high learning curve, life and death if they could simply go do something easier and make the same money for it.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Lately, this year specifically...

I've seen a rise in the demeaning tone with which people spout the word "progressive"...


"These progressives want to..."

"You progressives all think that..."



Well whatever... Is what I say.

So what.


You'd like to label yourselves "traditionalist"...

That "things were better in the good old days"...



Well I feel you're more of a regressive than a traditionalist...

You wish to take us back to detrimental values that you believe we're better simply because things were whiter than white...

Regress all you like...



I'm for progression...


Progress needs to be made...



We do not need to regress into your white majority, rich over poor utopia...


We need a cultural balance for 2015 onwards...
We need fairness in the work place...
We need equal rights for women world wide...
We need to protect children and nourish and educate them instead of building drones for the work force...




..."But it happened to us and we are fine"...


No you're not...

You're a regressive, hoping for the same fate that befell you, to befall others...





So... I'm a progressive... You can regress all you like.


First off i want to say its all pointless. Until election/campaign/lobby power changes there are no liberal or conservatives.

Then i want to say first to conservatives the liberal movement was started by empercist philosophers and was very much a libertarian like philosophy. In fact the personal liberty clause was a republican issue for a long time and a north eastern us philosophy. They were the champions of 1800 and early to mid 1900 social equality. They pioneered womans voting rights, the end of slavery, and public service diversity.

Progressives like woodrow wilson, teddy roosevelt, fdr were not socially progressive in anyway. They believed they could make people better and held lots of socially bigotted ideas (wilson hoped woman could never vote). Historically progressives were upper class pompous self righteous asses who had empire like mentality.
That is where "conservatives" (who are actually also progressives) get the term as a bad thing.

After johnsons civil rights vote all that changed as it was already churning with a republican overthrow by the christian right during eisenhower era and fully formed against jfk.

So now none of the words mean crap. Both republicans and dems are progressive idiots.

Ps. Little fact before you label yourself anything. Progressives were eugenicists. Progressives like Rockefellor believed in eugenics. Eugenics was a progressive philosophy and Nazi's were socialists. So these words have stigmas even thogh they dont mean the same things.

Its all bullcrap until they stop spending billionz on campaigns and allowing media consolodation.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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The thing is, you "progressives" labeled yourselves. You decided that "liberal" wasn't working well enough for you so you re-branded yourselves "progressives" to give the impression that you somehow embodied the usual dictionary definition of the term. It was completely self-serving on your part, and people like you have grown to actually believe this fantasy that you essentially made up. Like little kids, you claim stuff is "unfair" when what you really mean is you disagree. If we did as a society what you want us to do we would live in a stifling bureaucracy of mediocrity where any hope of brilliance and creativity would be quashed to dirt because of your belief that "everyone is equal." Where you progressives have prevailed all we see is abject poverty. You OWN every ghetto in the country, every failed government, every bankrupt city. Your Welfare State has created a failed and decadent society. In fact, there is no society left because you have destroyed its very fabric in an orgy of self-indulgence disguised as your idea of "freedom," the very embodiment of Orwell's predictions.

Calling your self progressives is like Muslims calling Islam a "peaceful religion," founded by a military general who conquered cities by burning them down and everyone in them while finding time to marry a six-year old. It's completely contradicted by even a cursory look at the facts.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Why are tax systems a good thing?

All a tax means is that something you worked hard to make is being confiscated from you by force by someone who did nothing to help you produce it. It's a debt you will never, ever discharge.

If you actually produced hard goods, say sheep, it would be like knowing that every year, no matter how many lambs you raised, you would always lose five because someone would come take them from you with no compensation for your labor and effort.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Why are tax systems a good thing?

All a tax means is that something you worked hard to make is being confiscated from you by force by someone who did nothing to help you produce it. It's a debt you will never, ever discharge.

If you actually produced hard goods, say sheep, it would be like knowing that every year, no matter how many lambs you raised, you would always lose five because someone would come take them from you with no compensation for your labor and effort.



That's true. I hate taxes and governmenty regulations, fees and licenses.

How about a smaller government for once?



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