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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Charlie, I've stayed out of your thread because I was sure you could handle the nay-sayers. Great effort on your part, and it's good to see someone's evidence-based views gaining traction and confidence.
I find it disheartening that the overall message against progressivism is the acceptance of the inequitable status quo, the innate selfishness of humanity, and the lack of aspiration for our best and highest selves.
But oh well. Good thread.
Progress is an end to slavery, civil rights movements fighting for equality, women being able to vote... Etc.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
And that's because it is idealistic ... but I wonder, would you say that it is more a function of egotism to say "I believe that there is good and bad in every human, and I want to work toward the better both in myself and for others"? Or merely to say "We're all selfish and we'll always be that way.'
Progressivism as I understand it is more of a direction or a trend than a given set of agenda items at any time. And yes, I do believe we can agree on somethings that are better for humans than others ... good health, enough to eat and drink, a warm, dry, and safe place to live, the opportunity to work and produce for our lives, equity before the laws of the land ... yes, I believe we can all agree those are higher and better than sickness, hunger, homelessness and unfair laws.
Progressivism wants to move toward rather than stay put or to go backward, in a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Texan, I'll say the same think you said to me ... the moment you find a group of people fit to lead that can remove government corruption in all of its forms, you can sign me up ... pronto!
Aside from that, I'll just keep plugging along, trying to do the best for myself and others that I can.
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Gryphon66
No, when your ilk (self proclaimed 'progressives') make the quality of my life worse in order to push your progress, you are stepping on my toes.
You are no different than Henry Ford, Hitler or Margaret Sanger when you affect my life negatively by pushing what you think is better for everyone. That is the point. You have an opinion. When you force it, one size fits all on me.... you are no better than any of the bad guys in history.
originally posted by: queenofswords
When the term "progressives" is used politically and/or socially, I think of lemmings. That is what they remind me of..."hey, I don't know where we're going, but let's get there fast and recklessly! OOPS."
I prefer a more thoughtful and calculated progression based on intelligent analysis of our foundational structures with a clearer picture of just where we might be heading.
You keep sitting in your corner and spitting at people blaming others for your own problems. Me and "my ilk" will keep working to make the world a better place for all of us ... including people like you.