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Why is it so difficult to Believe in Aliens?

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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.




posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: vataOsadhi

Please provide you source for your "all is from Earth " statement. Earth isn't even from Earth!


I mean all living breathing entities. what do you mean earth is not even from earth?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
My last post on this matter...

Some of you guys are reading too much into it. Bringing up spirituality, ghosts, blackholes, "what has science ever done for us" etc....

Mine and others positions is very, very simple: No credible evidence or proof = no belief. Its not ANY deeper than that, trust me.

Science as given us EVERYTHING we have today and is 100% responsible for where humans are today technology wise. That is why i trust it 100%. Its self correcting and its only goal is the truth. And its why i refuse to believe that aliens are breaking universal laws like the speed of light and time travel to get here until i see conclusive proof or some evidence at least that isn't a blurry effing dot on a screen. These laws could very well be breakable (who knows). But it hasnt happened yet.



If science is self correcting, then let us know when science corrects itself to include the existence of God, and Alien life.

To deny this would mean that you have a play in dictating how science corrects itself. It is merely knowledge that we do not currently have.

And if we do not have it, it does not mean it does not exist, and that we might not eventually stumble on to it.

As a scientist your response then should be, yes Aliens could exist, and yes God could exist.


What on earth are you talking about? Science hasn't proven the existence of god or aliens yet. How can it self correct that? Do you even think before you post?

Are you seriously denying that science is self correcting? That is the foundation of all science and to deny that tells me all i need to know about your understanding of it.

PLls..i never said neither exist. My position is, as you said, that yes, they could both exist. of course they could. But until i get a shred of proof, i'm not going to believe in them both.


I did not deny that science is self correcting, nor did I bring your beliefs into question. By saying science is self correcting it means that at any point it can be wrong, and new information comes to light, and it is corrected.

So I am merely saying that if/ when the new information (of aliens or god existing) comes to light, science will have continued to self correct.

You have already told me your understanding of the english language, seeing as you cannot correctly intepret what I did say, and what I didn't.

In a scientific argument you begin with 'IF such and such is the case, then such and such can be true'' hence ''If science is self correcting then..''

shows how much you know about science..


Nobody here has even disputed science, so you are just raising moot points.
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance in time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.

ETA: Thus your answer should be: it's possible that aliens could be visiting us.

Science doesn't require beliefs so why are you bringing yours along, given your speech on science.
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Believing in aliens is no crazier than Christians believing in a guy that walked on water, or Muslims believing that a guy ascended to heaven on a winged horse, or Scientologists believing that the earth is a prison planet three trillion years old, etc.


But that is where you are wrong, it is not crazy to believe in such things, otherwise we would have all the answers to everything and would have solved all of the universes' mysteries.

But we have not done that...


Was it crazy when two guys believed they would fly using a plane? Is it crazy when we believed we could harness the power of the atom? We can believe in things that are beyond our comprehension, because it leads to the pursuit of knowledge and the answers to questions.

Many times in history people thought some 'beliefs' were too crazy or too outlandish, many of them are now long gone, and were proven wrong.

I believe the world is round.. when those words were uttered long long ago people like you shouted 'you are crazy'


Thanks. You reiterated my point. I use the term 'no crazier' which = you saying 'not crazier'. In other words, I'm equating belief in aliens along the lines of religious belief. One belief is no more 'unbelievable' than the other. So since you are saying I'm wrong, therefore you're wrong too.


So you missed the point of my post..

By saying no crazier, you are basically saying both the belief in God and Alien life are as crazy as each other. Which in turn means that both ideas are crazy.

And then my post drew on previous 'crazy beliefs' in human history proved to be not so crazy at all, as they were simply the pursuit of knowledge that wasn't easily comprehensible at the time.

I also alluded to a few examples such as:

Believing the earth was round, when others strongly believed that this idea was crazy

Believing that you could fly using a machine, when the plane was first invented, the inventors believed they would fly, but others believed their belief was crazy.

Again at the time, others could not fully comprehend the science behind it and so thought it was crazy.

I'm sure I am missing many great examples here, this is jjust of the top of my head.


So you are saying the beliefs are crazy, I am saying not at all.


Since you are alluding to examples such as the earth is round which has been proven it is, please address the examples I point out such as winged horses ascending to heaven and the earth as a prison planet trillions of years old. Thanks in advance.


Earth as a prison a trillion years old - never heard of this, so cannot comment.



"Scientology's prison system
First, it is important to understand exactly what is the basic, core belief of a true Scientologist.

The true Scientologist believes that we are all trapped in this universe; that we used to be "free" and powerful but we have gone down a "dwindling spiral" of degradation, life after life, eventually, after trillions of years, becoming powerless and trillionssuffering; that L. Ron Hubbard developed the only road out of this trap back to "real freedom" and power; that the Church of Scientology is the only valid source of this technology; and that we will only get this one chance to make it out."

www....__._/wiki/Scientology%27s_prison_system


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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: SPECULUM

I believe in alien life...I'm just not so sure that any intelligent alien life has visited earth.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a speed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.

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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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I think most people believe in intelligent life elsewhere. They may also believe in the possibility of aliens visiting Earth is spacecraft, but many people simply don't see that there is enough evidence to believe alien visitation of Earth is actually occurring.

That's my position on this, specifically the following:

-- I feel that the sheer size of the universe makes it almost certain that somewhere out there is other intelligent life. Intelligent life may be rare or it may be common, but I think it almost surely does exist.

-- The question of "are they visiting Earth" is a separate question altogether. I also feel that it is possible that aliens could be visiting earth, but I have not seen enough solid evidence to convince me that it is happening (and, yes -- I've seen the available evidence; I just don't think it is convincing enough).




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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014




Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.


I'm not even discussing whether aliens are currently visiting us or not, I am addressing the possibility that they could. Which logically, there is not reason why they can't. They simply go around, or circumvent all the laws you stated. Unless you want to make the arrogant/ignorant mistake of putting human science as the de facto standard in the universe where you yourself stated evolutions at various stages could exist, hence many intelligent lifeforms.

BTW the light switch argument is entirely subjective, with an alien civilisation you got an entirely different culture/ set of rules. Obviously if you can see them with their lights, then they want be seen, otherwise they could just cloak the whole the whole spaceship from our reality entirely.

Who knows? Possibilities and more possibilities.
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.


What are you talking about? How are you not understanding what im saying? I said that (for example) he speed of light might one day be broken when we update our knowledge. I am fully 100% open to the fact that other beings might be much more advanced. So, yes, they MAY be visiting us. But its a combination of everything i have said. ALL the points i raised added together (the lack of evidence being the largest share) make me not believe its happening.

Let me be clear again. I realise that we might be wrong about everything we hold true and that other being might be tens of thousands of years ahead of us...but this is all speculation and is kind of irrelevant since there is no proof of their presence here on or orbiting earth.

Come on man, please stop trying to pick holes in what im saying. Im making myself very clear. And you know i am.
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.


What are you talking about? How are you not understanding what im saying? I said that (for example) he speed of light might one day be broken when we update our knowledge. I am fully 100% open to the fact that other beings might be much more advanced. So, yes, they MAY be visiting us. But its a combination of everything i have said. ALL the points i raised added together (the lack of evidence being the largest share) make me not believe its happening.

Let me be clear again. I realise that we might be wrong about everything we hold true and that other being might be tens of thousands of years ahead of us...but this is all speculation and is kind of irrelevant since there is no proof of their presence here on or orbiting earth.

Come on man, please stop trying to pick holes in what im saying. Im making myself very clear. And you know i am.


No, no.. you are the one not understanding english as I said EVEN if all the laws you stated remained true there could be OTHER WAY of going around them. THIS does not mean that those laws are WRONG. It just means you have found another means of circumventing it.

Here is a simple example. You cannot use a car to drive in the opposite direction of a one way street. So how do you go in the opposite direction?? YOU GET OUT of the car and walk on the pavement of the street, in the opposite direction.

SEE?? we just circumvented a rule/law but didn't change it, might not be a physical law, but it is a law in a system all the same.

I am not picking holes in what you are saying at all, a am taking what you are saying and showing you what else that leads too. POSSIBILITIES.

It's hilarious that you think the idea of aliens visiting us is all speculation, but the idea of life evolving at various stages in the universe is what you believe.

Make up your mind man, if you believe one of those statement to be true, then the other is ALSO true. It's logical reasoning.

The same way you can to the conclusion of alien life, using evolution, you must have a civilisation that is smarter than us. Unless we got created first??? I don't think so.


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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.


What are you talking about? How are you not understanding what im saying? I said that (for example) he speed of light might one day be broken when we update our knowledge. I am fully 100% open to the fact that other beings might be much more advanced. So, yes, they MAY be visiting us. But its a combination of everything i have said. ALL the points i raised added together (the lack of evidence being the largest share) make me not believe its happening.

Let me be clear again. I realise that we might be wrong about everything we hold true and that other being might be tens of thousands of years ahead of us...but this is all speculation and is kind of irrelevant since there is no proof of their presence here on or orbiting earth.

Come on man, please stop trying to pick holes in what im saying. Im making myself very clear. And you know i am.


No, no.. you are the one not understanding english as I said EVEN if all the laws you stated remained true there could be OTHER WAY of going around them. THIS does not mean that those laws are WRONG. It just means you have found another means of circumventing it.

Here is a simple example. You cannot use a car to drive in the opposite direction of a one way street. So how do you go in the opposite direction?? YOU GET OUT of the car and walk on the pavement of the street, in the opposite direction.

SEE?? we just circumvented a rule/law but didn't change it, might not be a physical law, but it is a law in a system all the same.

I am not picking holes in what you are saying at all, a am taking what you are saying and showing you what else that leads too. POSSIBILITIES.

It's hilarious that you think the idea of aliens visiting us is all speculation, but the idea of life evolving at various stages in the universe is what you believe.

Make up your mind man, if you believe one of those statement to be true, then the other is ALSO true. It's logical reasoning.

The same way you can to the conclusion of alien life, using evolution, you must have a civilisation that is smarter than us. Unless we got created first??? I don't think so.




Sorry buddy, i'm not replying to this line of questions from you anymore. You are being silly. I explained myself very very clearly. You are being deliberately obtuse. Have fun!



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.


What are you talking about? How are you not understanding what im saying? I said that (for example) he speed of light might one day be broken when we update our knowledge. I am fully 100% open to the fact that other beings might be much more advanced. So, yes, they MAY be visiting us. But its a combination of everything i have said. ALL the points i raised added together (the lack of evidence being the largest share) make me not believe its happening.

Let me be clear again. I realise that we might be wrong about everything we hold true and that other being might be tens of thousands of years ahead of us...but this is all speculation and is kind of irrelevant since there is no proof of their presence here on or orbiting earth.

Come on man, please stop trying to pick holes in what im saying. Im making myself very clear. And you know i am.


No, no.. you are the one not understanding english as I said EVEN if all the laws you stated remained true there could be OTHER WAY of going around them. THIS does not mean that those laws are WRONG. It just means you have found another means of circumventing it.

Here is a simple example. You cannot use a car to drive in the opposite direction of a one way street. So how do you go in the opposite direction?? YOU GET OUT of the car and walk on the pavement of the street, in the opposite direction.

SEE?? we just circumvented a rule/law but didn't change it, might not be a physical law, but it is a law in a system all the same.

I am not picking holes in what you are saying at all, a am taking what you are saying and showing you what else that leads too. POSSIBILITIES.

It's hilarious that you think the idea of aliens visiting us is all speculation, but the idea of life evolving at various stages in the universe is what you believe.

Make up your mind man, if you believe one of those statement to be true, then the other is ALSO true. It's logical reasoning.

The same way you can to the conclusion of alien life, using evolution, you must have a civilisation that is smarter than us. Unless we got created first??? I don't think so.




Sorry buddy, i'm not replying to this line of questions from you anymore. You are being silly. I explained myself very very clearly. You are being deliberately obtuse. Have fun!


No actually you a running away from the questions. Either that or you don't understand and cannot form a reply.

What I said makes sense, and if you can point out what was said that was silly....



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.


What are you talking about? How are you not understanding what im saying? I said that (for example) he speed of light might one day be broken when we update our knowledge. I am fully 100% open to the fact that other beings might be much more advanced. So, yes, they MAY be visiting us. But its a combination of everything i have said. ALL the points i raised added together (the lack of evidence being the largest share) make me not believe its happening.

Let me be clear again. I realise that we might be wrong about everything we hold true and that other being might be tens of thousands of years ahead of us...but this is all speculation and is kind of irrelevant since there is no proof of their presence here on or orbiting earth.

Come on man, please stop trying to pick holes in what im saying. Im making myself very clear. And you know i am.


No, no.. you are the one not understanding english as I said EVEN if all the laws you stated remained true there could be OTHER WAY of going around them. THIS does not mean that those laws are WRONG. It just means you have found another means of circumventing it.

Here is a simple example. You cannot use a car to drive in the opposite direction of a one way street. So how do you go in the opposite direction?? YOU GET OUT of the car and walk on the pavement of the street, in the opposite direction.

SEE?? we just circumvented a rule/law but didn't change it, might not be a physical law, but it is a law in a system all the same.

I am not picking holes in what you are saying at all, a am taking what you are saying and showing you what else that leads too. POSSIBILITIES.

It's hilarious that you think the idea of aliens visiting us is all speculation, but the idea of life evolving at various stages in the universe is what you believe.

Make up your mind man, if you believe one of those statement to be true, then the other is ALSO true. It's logical reasoning.

The same way you can to the conclusion of alien life, using evolution, you must have a civilisation that is smarter than us. Unless we got created first??? I don't think so.




Sorry buddy, i'm not replying to this line of questions from you anymore. You are being silly. I explained myself very very clearly. You are being deliberately obtuse. Have fun!


No actually you a running away from the questions. Either that or you don't understand and cannot form a reply.

What I said makes sense, and if you can point out what was said that was silly....


Ok, ill bite. What is your question? Im pretty sure i answered it. So, what is it. Plain and simple.?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Mianeye
It's easy to speculate about Aliens, but without any real facts, it is just speculative imagination, Like fairies, shadow people and ghost or God and so on.

Life on other planets is one thing, life traveling between planets is another.


^^^^^ This....

Most people at this point feel there is probably life and perhaps even civilizations on other planets. Every star in the sky has planets as they are just the byproduct of star formation. And new research suggests every star has at least 1 planet in its habitable zone.

Life may be easy. And we may soon detect simple life on other words.

Intelligent life, stuff that build space ships is likely more rare. The dinosaurs were around for millions of years and never evolved into an intelligent, space-faring civilization.

And even if they had, travel between the stars is not ever likely to be the trivial matter most UFOs as Alien people believe it is.


I am open to aliens, but i always stay down to Earth,


It is always a good idea to do this. There's nothing wrong with an open mind but the best open mind is also a skeptical mind.


i am not going to see the proof of Aliens in my life time, so i can only imagine them.


Don't be so sure of that. Plan on living another 20 or 30 years? NASA is confident that we'll have evidence of life beyond earth within the next 10-30 years.



Constant imagination becomes boring after a while, and you just want that one fact that can change imagination in to reality

That's what science is for and you can get involved!
There are plenty of citizen science programs in which you can help the various aspects of piecing the puzzle together which will eventually form a picture of life elsewhere in the universe.

Everything from analyzing Kepler data, to looking at images for planet-forming discs around young stars to setting up a small (6-10 inch) telescope to detect Jupiter sized exoplanets.


If you are interested in any of this stuff, let me know.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101one of those statement to be true, then the other is ALSO true. It's logical reasoning.


Nope. You're taking a light year sized leap of logic. Just because life exists elsewhere does not necessarily mean that it gets in flying saucers and travels to Earth to do anal probes.




The same way you can to the conclusion of alien life, using evolution, you must have a civilisation that is smarter than us. Unless we got created first??? I don't think so.


You may not think so, your thinking is actually a feeling. We don't know. Perhaps we are first. In all likelihood we are not, and I can make several scientifically sound arguments (which are widely accepted in astrobiology) for why it is unlikely we are the first technological civilization.

What I can not do is make scientifically sound argument which supports aliens travelling to Earth in flying saucers to do anal probes. Nor can you or anyone else.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Sorry, just to clarify what i wrote in my previous post: read my posts . I totally believe in alien life elsewhere. I just do not believe that they are visiting us.



Why would you believe in Alien life, and not believe they are visiting us? If it is because lack of evidence of them visiting us then fine.

But logically if you believe aliens can exist, then you accept that they most certainly can be many thousands or even millions of years ahead of us, given the variance time between the inception of all celestial bodies since the point of creation. Thus it is highly likely that they could have developed means of transportation you cannot comprehend. And we can already reach Mars.



I believe in alien life because i believe that we are all the product of chemical reactions. I also believe that given the size of the universe, its exceptionally unlikely that these reactions have only occurred her in our solar system. So, i believe with all my heart that there is life is various stages of evolution throughout the universe.

Here are the reasons why i do not believe they are visiting us:

- I understand the physics involved in space travel. I realise that the speed of light is currently a seed limit imposed on us by the universe. I realise that this might be broken one day as our theories are updated...but this has not happened yet

- I believe in black holes (IMO, there is enough proof for their existance) and tentatively, by proxy, in wormholes. I realise that these might be used to travel across space, but the tech required would be staggering and so unless someone has proof beings are doing this, it will remain in the "realistic" science fiction folder.

- I do NOT believe that aliens are visiting us because of these limits and also, much more importantly because there is the full sum of 0.00% credible proof or evidence. Show me otherwise and i will very very happily change my mind. but by all means guys, keep posting blatantly fabricated or natural occurring, or just plain idiotic videos on the UFO forum...just don't whine when the rest of the world laughs at you.


have i explained it simply enough? I cant believe i had to, but ok.

Oh...and ill ask one more time: WHY DO THEY KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THEIR FLASHING LIGHTS OFF? They have mastered space travel. The light switch?...not so much.




I previously said science is limited today by what we currently know, and by our capacity for knowledge. Thus all the rules and laws you stated are based on our comprehension of the universe, which is greatly limited if compared to an alien civilisation that is thousands of years ahead of us technologically.


The science belonging to such a civilisation will more then likely posses knowledge that makes our science look like it came from 300 BC

All the rules you stated could remain true for eternity, but you haven't considered other solutions, or other means of travel. And this is where you fall short given modern science. If you believe in alien life then you must believe in the possibility of them reaching us.

You said it yourself you believe in VARIOUS stages of evolution existing throughout the universe.


What are you talking about? How are you not understanding what im saying? I said that (for example) he speed of light might one day be broken when we update our knowledge. I am fully 100% open to the fact that other beings might be much more advanced. So, yes, they MAY be visiting us. But its a combination of everything i have said. ALL the points i raised added together (the lack of evidence being the largest share) make me not believe its happening.

Let me be clear again. I realise that we might be wrong about everything we hold true and that other being might be tens of thousands of years ahead of us...but this is all speculation and is kind of irrelevant since there is no proof of their presence here on or orbiting earth.

Come on man, please stop trying to pick holes in what im saying. Im making myself very clear. And you know i am.


No, no.. you are the one not understanding english as I said EVEN if all the laws you stated remained true there could be OTHER WAY of going around them. THIS does not mean that those laws are WRONG. It just means you have found another means of circumventing it.

Here is a simple example. You cannot use a car to drive in the opposite direction of a one way street. So how do you go in the opposite direction?? YOU GET OUT of the car and walk on the pavement of the street, in the opposite direction.

SEE?? we just circumvented a rule/law but didn't change it, might not be a physical law, but it is a law in a system all the same.

I am not picking holes in what you are saying at all, a am taking what you are saying and showing you what else that leads too. POSSIBILITIES.

It's hilarious that you think the idea of aliens visiting us is all speculation, but the idea of life evolving at various stages in the universe is what you believe.

Make up your mind man, if you believe one of those statement to be true, then the other is ALSO true. It's logical reasoning.

The same way you can to the conclusion of alien life, using evolution, you must have a civilisation that is smarter than us. Unless we got created first??? I don't think so.




Sorry buddy, i'm not replying to this line of questions from you anymore. You are being silly. I explained myself very very clearly. You are being deliberately obtuse. Have fun!


No actually you a running away from the questions. Either that or you don't understand and cannot form a reply.

What I said makes sense, and if you can point out what was said that was silly....


Ok, ill bite. What is your question? Im pretty sure i answered it. So, what is it. Plain and simple.?




Plain and simple? Read my last post.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

^^^^^ This....

Most people at this point feel there is probably life and perhaps even civilizations on other planets. Every star in the sky has planets as they are just the byproduct of star formation. And new research suggests every star has at least 1 planet in its habitable zone.

Life may be easy. And we may soon detect simple life on other words.

Intelligent life, stuff that build space ships is likely more rare. The dinosaurs were around for millions of years and never evolved into an intelligent, space-faring civilization.

And even if they had, travel between the stars is not ever likely to be the trivial matter most UFOs as Alien people believe it is.

I am open to aliens, but i always stay down to Earth

It is always a good idea to do this. There's nothing wrong with an open mind but the best open mind is also a skeptical mind.

i am not going to see the proof of Aliens in my life time, so i can only imagine them.



Don't be so sure of that. Plan on living another 20 or 30 years? NASA is confident that we'll have evidence of life beyond earth within the next 10-30 years.



Constant imagination becomes boring after a while, and you just want that one fact that can change imagination in to reality

That's what science is for and you can get involved!
There are plenty of citizen science programs in which you can help the various aspects of piecing the puzzle together which will eventually form a picture of life elsewhere in the universe.

Everything from analyzing Kepler data, to looking at images for planet-forming discs around young stars to setting up a small (6-10 inch) telescope to detect Jupiter sized exoplanets.


If you are interested in any of this stuff, let me know.


Sorry but it is nonsense, that if you believe alien life can evolve on other planets, but won't be able to travel between stars...

Where is the logic in this... if we are already venturing into space, and considering FTL technologies, you are saying to me that we are the cutting edge of technology in the universe????

Make your minds up. It's either the possibility that alien life doesn't exist and cannot travel between stars or they do exist and can travel between stars.

Dinosaurs is a bad example, I mean look at us today? How many millions of years has it been? How are young are we compared to the next planet or galaxy??? Let's do some math.


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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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Astronomers have found a planet thought to be the oldest planet in the known universe at around 13 billion years old. And they have found planets that are still forming.
At 4.5 billion years old, the Earth is less than half the age of the universe and so you could consider it (and the other planets in our solar system) as young.

Dinosaurs you say...?




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