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Childcare rebates could be denied to anti-vaccination parents under new Federal Government laws

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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 08:14 AM
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So... government basically saying "Have cash for making sure your son/daughter doesnt get sick apart from the small risk... you know, the one which shows you are more likely to be struck by lightening or get hit by a car then have your child have a really bad reaction. Oh yeah by the way, your kid could still lead a long and healthy life without it but there is more of a chance that they could catch this preventable illness.

Oh and if they do catch it there is a chance that your child could become very ill causing terrible health problems which will hound them for life, or even worse cause brain damage. You know, that horrible thing that parents never want to see their children go through... also the fact that trying to care for a brain damaged member of the family can cost insane amounts of cash and untold stress...

Not to mention that yes if they do get the jab YES they can still get it, but if they dont get the jab and they dont have a terrible reaction to an illness it does mean that they can then spread it to other non-vaccy children causing them the same dangers...


So yeah, want a better chance for your child not costing you a butt tonne of money? And you get MONEY for it! BOOSH"




posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:16 AM
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Good. We have to move beyond this ridiculous idea that all beliefs are inherently valuable and worthy of respect. The proven science is that the benefits of vaccination so far outweigh the risks (of which autism is not even on the list) that it is a moral imperative to vaccinate. If you shirk this social responsibility, you are not only making a choice for yourself and your child but for thousands of people around you. It is irresponsible to buy into this pseudo-scientific crap peddled by charlatans wailing about vaccines being "poison."

If you think you have the argument against vaccination locked down because of your 6th-grade understanding of chemistry, you are, I'm sorry, an idiot. You have been sold a bill of goods, and now you're cramming that lie down everyone's throats around you. If you do not understand how the chemistry works, if you don't understand herd immunity, if you don't have a proper degree in toxicology or biochemistry from a proper school, if you haven't conducted meaningful scientific research on your own, then you simply have nothing of value to add to the conversation.

I am not a scientist, so I am going to believe those who are over those who have a clear personal agenda to sell books or an obvious personal bias against "the Establishment." Google University is not a real school, and degrees earned there are more than worthless, scientifically. If you choose to believe that you know better than established science just because you got scared by some moron's video on YouTube, then you have proven your own gullibility and stupidity.

Parents must vaccinate. If they refuse, they should be guilty of a crime unless their child has a medical exemption based on actual science. But the loss of vouchers and rebates and tax benefits is as good a place to start as any.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: doobydoll
The un-vaccinated people are not all dead either lol.


Yes, because the majority of the population is vaccinated and preventing them from experiencing these easily preventable viruses.

Believe me, if everyone believed the bs and stopped vaccination, we would see outbreaks of these viruses again, and potentially thousands of people would die, mostly the very young.


originally posted by: doobydoll
I'm just trying to see things from the perspective of the anti-vacs, they think they're absolutely right in what they believe, just as much as you believe you're right.


Yes, the only difference is that what I believe is actually supported by decades of science, while what they believe is based in nothing but ignorance.

Sorry to say it like it is, but this is factual reality as seen in decades of science and data.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: ItVibrates

It truly never ends but, it will likely soon be this...




posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

I'm confused why you care about any of this. Every single part of this article is Socialist. It is an article where a bunch of science denialists feel that there shouldn't be restrictions put on the Socialist hand outs that the government is giving them. In fact, the people whining about being "forced to vaccinate" their children are in reality whining because they don't want to fulfill one of the requirements to get free money from the government.
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your child will soon come home in scrubs with a needle containing your medicine.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

Hyperbole aside, are you going to address the points I just brought up? Or are you blindly supporting the anti-government angle the anti-vaxxers are trying to push for in the article even though there is nothing anti-government about the article at all?
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I was responding to his question about where this will end. It will not end.

Yes, obviously, I am anti government being a libertarian.

Who would you like to prescribe your healthcare treatments? Your doctor or your social worker?

Really, you sound like you think I am against vaccinations.

If I didn't know any better, I would think that you were completely unaware of the arguments contained in libertarian thought.

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain."

-Frédéric Bastiat



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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Who would you like to prescribe your healthcare treatments? Your doctor or your social worker?


Maybe you are missing my point. This ENTIRE issue is about a bunch of whiny anti-vaxxers trying to tell the government that the government can't dictate the stipulations behind how it gives out free money. In other words, it's a bunch of entitled assholes whining because they can't take advantage of the Socialist program for health care the government established.

Basically, my point is, that as a Libertarian you should be looking at both sides of this argument in the article and side with neither of them. They are both Socialist arguments. "I want free money from the government, and the government can't put restrictions on that money" and "I want free money from the government, and the government CAN put restrictions on that money".



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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Good, I agree whole heartedly.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: ItVibrates

After getting a lock down on the customer base, will they accelerate and expand the vaccination schedule?

If you were a profit machine with legal immunity from damage claims what would you do?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are right, I am not choosing between two socialist arguments.

Both are wrong and they are merely symptomatic of the greater harm to come.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: greencmp


Who would you like to prescribe your healthcare treatments? Your doctor or your social worker?


Maybe you are missing my point. This ENTIRE issue is about a bunch of whiny anti-vaxxers trying to tell the government that the government can't dictate the stipulations behind how it gives out free money. In other words, it's a bunch of entitled assholes whining because they can't take advantage of the Socialist program for health care the government established.

Basically, my point is, that as a Libertarian you should be looking at both sides of this argument in the article and side with neither of them. They are both Socialist arguments. "I want free money from the government, and the government can't put restrictions on that money" and "I want free money from the government, and the government CAN put restrictions on that money".


You seem to be confusing "free money" with money you've earned, the government takes at gunpoint and doles it back in the form of "deductions". I assure you there is a big difference.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

I'm not confusing anything. I know what taxes are and how they are required. I know that "free money" isn't, and that doesn't change my point in the slightest. This entire article is a discussion of Socialism practices and your post seemed to just be splitting hairs about my terminology (which should be noted showed up in a quotation).
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: doobydoll
The un-vaccinated people are not all dead either lol.


Yes, because the majority of the population is vaccinated and preventing them from experiencing these easily preventable viruses.

Believe me, if everyone believed the bs and stopped vaccination, we would see outbreaks of these viruses again, and potentially thousands of people would die, mostly the very young.


originally posted by: doobydoll
I'm just trying to see things from the perspective of the anti-vacs, they think they're absolutely right in what they believe, just as much as you believe you're right.


Yes, the only difference is that what I believe is actually supported by decades of science, while what they believe is based in nothing but ignorance.

Sorry to say it like it is, but this is factual reality as seen in decades of science and data.

Anti-vacs will say vaccine producers/sellers are funding these 'sciences' and therefore the data will say what they want it to say, or maybe omit parts of the data which is potentially damaging to their sales. If there is the slightest possibility this could have happened/is happening, then the anti-vacs have a very valid reason for not trusting the vaccines.

I know you believe corporate pharma has a huge twinkling halo hovering above the CEO's office, but anti-vacs won't trust data that's been funded by the same body whose success and profits depend on what that data says. Ask yourself this: is it possible there is enough money involved to tempt a profit-seeking corporation which is funding research into its own product, to perhaps fudge the data? Honest answer please.

I not only think it's possible, I think it's probable.
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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: ItVibrates

Personally I think anti-vaxxers need a reality check, or a history lesson at the very least.



That's a great idea! Here's a little something to get you started.

History lesson:
The 13 Most Evil U.S. Government Experiments on Humans

Reality check:
Drug recall list


Of course, governments don't do that any more, and pharmaceutical companies don't market dangerous drugs anymore.



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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: ItVibrates

The UK has bought into the progressive utopia pipe dream. When you put the rights of the masses before individual rights failure will always follow.



Really this is the cold hard truth and why freedom is a thing of the past in the UK. It was all done for the greater good.......YA. It is a easy thing to buy into because on paper it sounds good but in reality it never works. This story is another example of PTB trying to save people using fear. This is the only tool they currently use and when fear no longer works imagine Germany late 1930s. Outright control will be used for the people best interest.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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all vaccines are doing is allowing viruses to survive and mutate inside the host then spread from their hosts, sure it stops the sickness but it's making the viruses stronger in the long run, eventually they will outpace vaccine makers and make any new vaccines useless. it has already started and quite a few old viruses have mutated with a few becoming incurable once again, infections have become more common and more deadly too and what's worse is that viruses share genetic information with other viruses thus making them stronger too.

all these diseases and viruses sticking around are probably damaging our dna and making our immune systems more vulnerable to infection, i'm sure the full effects of vaccines will not be felt for a few hundred years yet but when it does the people then will probably wish we had never made vaccines and will condemn our generations for driving humanity to extinction by giving diseases and viruses an environment suited to evolving further than we can handle.

vaccines compounded by pollution and overpopulation will be our demise in the end but i guess that doesn't matter for people in the now as long as they don't have to suffer sickness too badly, but well that's how people are.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: doompornjunkie

Good history lesson: The corps creating those shots started in Germany. Mandatory vaccination started in Nazi Germany. People loved it, they looked down upon people that refused. They smiled going into the gas showers too. What's good for the country was good for them.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: namehere
all vaccines are doing is allowing viruses to survive and mutate inside the host then spread from their hosts, sure it stops the sickness but it's making the viruses stronger in the long run, eventually they will outpace vaccine makers and make any new vaccines useless. it has already started and quite a few old viruses have mutated with a few becoming incurable once again, infections have become more common and more deadly too and what's worse is that viruses share genetic information with other viruses thus making them stronger too.

all these diseases and viruses sticking around are probably damaging our dna and making our immune systems more vulnerable to infection, i'm sure the full effects of vaccines will not be felt for a few hundred years yet but when it does the people then will probably wish we had never made vaccines and will condemn our generations for driving humanity to extinction by giving diseases and viruses an environment suited to evolving further than we can handle.

vaccines compounded by pollution and overpopulation will be our demise in the end but i guess that doesn't matter for people in the now as long as they don't have to suffer sickness too badly, but well that's how people are.


Nope.
The viruses would spread and mutate far faster if left unchecked.
You're missing out one of the basic benefits of vaccination, namely preventing diseases (viruses) spreading.



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