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Before I begin, I would like to give out my personal appreciation to all of the very well informed members that have rightly denounced the historical existence of this man to be the impervious mystery that it is, and likely will remain. Many of you have found resources online that are appropriately sourced and researched. Thank you all for your integrity and your efforts.
Evangelical Atheist: An evangelical atheist is one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being, but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance (the kind they accuse other religions of).
When cornered they usually try to put down their opponent's religion and bash them for 'blind faith', not realizing that their belief that there is no god is no more or less valid or provable than the other guy's belief that there is one.
Not to be confused with normal atheists/agnostics, who for the most part just don't talk about religion and accept the beliefs of those around them as their prerogative.
Evangelical atheists are particularly common on the Internet, as organized religion is generally accepted as part of 'the system' of global human society, and lately it's become cool on the Internet to hate 'the system'. Evangelical atheist usually seeks to "convert" borderline theists, often by engaging in debate with fundamentalists.
A good Christian simply has faith, a major requirement in the religion for salvation. God, in the Christian teachings, does not require proof to exist, nor does he ask you as a believer to seek said proof outside of your spirit and heart. To substitute faith for facts or proof is an unbridled act of Pride, a deadly sin. If God doesn't care what you prove about Him or His son, than what would be the point of proving that Jesus lived?
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Herolotus
Thank you for that beautifully written, well thought out and insightful opening post. I agree with you 100%, and when I see people getting angry and hurtful, I want to, and do, mostly, remind them that belief in Jesus Christ is about faith, not fact.
However, there are a few proselytizers, who use the "creeping" tactic that's based on the premise that "IF you believe that Jesus existed".............then he was either a "mad man, a fraud or a liar".
That's why, sometimes, the debate needs to be smartly nipped in the bud.
It's all about faith, and enlightenment. Jesus was not about facts and forced obedience.
Socrates (/ˈsɒkrətiːz/; Greek: Σωκράτης [sɔːkrátɛːs], Sōkrátēs; 470/469 – 399 BC) was a classical Greek (Athenian) philosopher credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy. He is an enigmatic figure known chiefly through the accounts of classical writers, especially the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon and the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes. Plato's dialogues are among the most comprehensive accounts of Socrates to survive from antiquity, though it is unclear the degree to which Socrates himself is "hidden behind his 'best disciple', Plato".
originally posted by: Herolotus
a reply to: infolurker
Thank you and I appreciate your response.
Please understand that no one is threatening you, you are safe in your assertions and your belief. No one can take your faith from you.
My grievence is with those who would try to diminish or take beliefs from others. The need to prove the existence of Jesus suggests a massive lack of confidence, and indeed a lack of faith. i can't help but wonder if this is so because Buddha and Muhammad and understood to be historically real men, while Christ is a shadow. Abraham and Moses are more up for debate, for similar reasons that reseearchers find the life of Jesus to be troublesome.
Recall that the teachings of Jesus are not diminished in any way by what a historian may or may not find. Your faith, and your capacity for belief remain as strong as they could ever be. I would simply say that others with differing systems of belief should be treated with the same kindness and respect.
Again I state - no one can take this from you, please do not try and take it from anyone else.